Spoilers and Analysis on THE DEATH

[vindee]

Ok guys...some of this stuff may have appeared already and some stuff may just seem like regurgitation but bear with me. I apologize for starting a new thread but I wanted everyone to read it and then give some feedback. Granted, a lot of people of come to this conclusion already but I enjoyed reading this article and wanted to share.

The following appeared in TALK STINK: Hawaii Entertainment Industry News and Comment, dated March 4/05

<<< Requisite Internet Spoiler Warning! There. You’ve been warned.

Only a handful of episodes are left and creator JJ Abrams has promised that one of the main characters dies before the end of the season.

What’s interesting about this is that two of the main characters have already “died.” Charlie nearly died at the hands of the mysterious Ethan. Shannon died in Boone’s Locke induced island hallucination, dream, or vision.

It’s generally agreed that one of the men will be offed. Had they killed Charlie early on it would have rocked everyone’s world, but we suspect there’s more for him to do so he won’t take the fall. Besides, according to the gossip rags Evangeline Lilly (Kate) and Dominic Monaghan (Charlie) are romantically linked off camera.

You might remember that Matthew Fox’s character Jack wasn’t supposed to survive episode one back when Michael Keaton was considering the role. So we’ll start there.

Jack is generally considered the main character. He has a compelling storyline that includes zombie dad and the love triangle between he, Kate, and Sawyer. Jack had his brush with death during the cave in, and Fox doesn’t have any other gigs on tap according to IMDb. We think that rules out Jack.

What of our favorite Iraqi, Sayid? Well, one of the upcoming episodes centers on Sayid, also he is a part of one of three love triangles on the island. It’s doubtful. Aside: You might have seen Naveen Andrews in a little Bollywood flick called Bride and Prejudice.

Who does this leave? Boone, Hurley, Jin, Locke, Michael, Sawyer, and Walt.

Sawyer is part of the Jack, Kate love triangle; Boone is a point of the Sayid, Shannon love triangle. We don’t see either of them dying anytime soon.

In this week’s episode we learned that Hurley cannot be killed as he’s immune to misfortune thanks to “the numbers.” Hurley was an obvious choice, but it doesn’t seem likely.

The cast thinks Daniel Dae Kim’s days are numbered as do we since minorities are the first to die in Hollywood stories. Too obvious? We agree, but Jin’s still high on the list.

According to IMDb Harold Perrineau Jr. (Michael, Walt’s Dad) is the lead in the upcoming Random Acts of Kindness, which is in production. Can he shoot a film during his Lost schedule? Can Michael build a second boat without Walt burning it down again?

Boat or no boat we don’t see anyone getting off the island soon, and Walt, the boy with “powers,” is now a proven pyro who’s got Locke as a potential father figure. Hmmm? Micheal dead? We’re really close now, but there is one remaining character.

We’ve heard the dead man is a well loved person on the island. Charlie’s testified to the fact that though the man seems crazy, John Locke saved his life. Boone got the Locke treatment too. For crying out loud, the man built a baby crib with his bare hands. Anyone who figures out that Sawyer’s dad was a feral pig is in tune with the island.

Locke, played by Terry O’Quinn, is the cornerstone of our gang of 14. Without him they are truly lost. We suspect that if Perrineau doesn’t have to leave the show to do his film, Locke will die in the act of saving someone from peril. After all, O’Quinn’s Special Director Kendall role on Alias is ripe for a resurrection.

Even if he died, don’t you think Locke would stick around to watch over the remaining castaways? >>>

[RickP66]

The HUGE gaping hole in this analysis is the fact that the actor playing the character who is killed ASKED to leave, so whether or not their character is important to the plot or part of a love triangle is basically immaterial.

[certim]

A good point is raised by the fact that they very easily could have killed Jack off when he was trapped in the cave. I know most people believe he is the one to get killed off, and most likely this is wishful thinking on my part, but why keep him around to only kill him?

[RickP66]

I am almost 100% certain it isn't Jack, for reasons that have nothing to do with the plot. It's been revealed for a long while now and confirmed a couple times that the actor whose character gets killed wants to leave the show. Matthew Fox most certainly DOESN'T want to leave the show.

[drypelia]

Naveen Andrews might want to leave. He has a moderate movie career and might feel that he wants to parlay his
"Lost" stardom into something bigger. Just a thought.

dry

[accygirl]

I thought that it might be Jack; however, I'm now fairly sure that it's Sayid based on a couple things. First, I believe that Chekov said that if you're going to show a gun on the mantle in the first act, then you'd better use it by the third act. Jack has too many "guns" on his table (the love triangle, his rivalry with Sawyer, etc.) With Sayid, the writers and producers only need to answer what happened to Nadia and why Sayid was in Australia.

[nastyned]

I had not seen the suggestion before that the person who dies wanted to leave the show and was basically written out at his request.

Only a fool would ask to leave a hit show during the first season. Which of these actors is that foolish?

[may2]

I thought the producers said last September one of the regulars would die in the first season.

[teaspoons]

I am 99.9% sure that this "analysis" did not warrant a new thread. Maybe the mods can open a new thread category just for those people who feel they need to be heard about their death theories and a too good to add to the 78 other threads on this topic.

[Iphigenia W]

*The HUGE gaping hole in this analysis is the fact that the actor playing the character who is killed ASKED to leave*

Curious where this "fact" came from. Source please.

[HortenseHysteria]

Entertainment Weekly just did an interview with Naveen Andrews he is very happy on lost, and quite frankly the way the interview went, I doubt he is the one to die.

He has not asked to leave Lost and he is looking forward to contuining on lost as long as he can.

[accygirl]

Was that the one where he was all snippy over Michael Douglas/ Catherine Zeta Jones?

From what I heard, the producers were planning to kill one person and then someone else requested to "be killed" instead for either personal and professional reasons.

As for people leaving hit shows, it happens all the time.... See David Caruso, George Clooney, Rob Lowe, etc. If someone already had a movie career or got a good role in a blockbuster movie, I could most definitely see them requesting to leave.

[vindee]

you know, teaspoons, I'm getting kind of tired of people who only have negative things to say about others who are just trying to contribute a little to the discussion. I had already apologized for starting a new thread but really the thread was about the ARTICLE as a whole, and I did state that I welcomed people's opinions on the ARTICLE. If the mods want to close the thread, I will respect their decision, but I don't think you needed to waste space just to be a hater.

[Black Dahlia]

RickP66:
It's been revealed for a long while now and confirmed a couple times that the actor whose character gets killed wants to leave the show.
Who revealed this, and where? "A long while" - when? I frequent the four most active Lost message boards and this is the first time I heard anything of the sort.


accygirl
From what I heard, the producers were planning to kill one person and then someone else requested to "be killed" instead for either personal and professional reasons.
Where did you hear this? What are the details, if any?


With contentions such as these, this topic has become deserving of its own, unique thread. If true (Q.E.D. and caveat emptor) then speculation as to who dies will go in a very different direction. IF J.J. and company are worried about who wants to stay on the show, who's dating whom else in the cast, who's bought a house in Hawaii, etc., then it looks like they will probably kill off the actor they can take care of - Terry O'Quinn.

Still, I have doubts about anyone wanting to leave the show, because it's brand new and a hit, and not one cast member is a bankable star who will have their choice of roles - sorry, fanboyz and gurlz, not even DomMon. Just about everyone else, including the afformentioned actors, who has left a hit show did so after their character was an established audience draw and Hollywood came calling with seven-digit paychecks.

[Primus29]

My favorite part of the article is how it doesn't refute any reasons why Boone could be the one to go.

Mark my words. It's Boone.

[nastyned]

It seems to me that a likely scenario is that the death is related to the box/hatch thing. If that is the case, Boone seems like the one who is a gonner.

[vindee]

I read on a spoiler website that JJ was quoted as saying the death at the end of the season "is not a dream". OK, but what if, like the article, the death is something that could technically "happen" but then be taken back, like Charlie or Shannon? Not exactly, but something similar, like for instance...someone gets shot and technically die, but then by channelling mysterious forces on the island the dead can be brought back?

[Iphigenia W]

*what if, like the article, the death is something that could technically "happen" but then be taken back, like Charlie or Shannon? Not exactly, but something similar, like for instance...someone gets shot and technically die, but then by channelling mysterious forces on the island the dead can be brought back? *

He said it was not a dream, but he also said that the person who died would stay dead.

[boomom2]

Thank God! One "Dallas" dream episode in my life was one too many.8)

[gertie]

I've never heard of one of the actors asking to be let go, either. Last I heard, none of the cast was aware who the corpse was gonna be.

Ask Ausiello today said the death would occur BEFORE the finale.

Back to the article. Yeah, not much was mentioned about Boone. Maybe he's the one, or the one who causes the death.

Black Dahlia pointed out that the producers could, and I'm sure would, take care of Terry O'Quinn. I think I'm putting my bets on him now.

[Master Xander]

I'll keep this open if only because it brings out another side to the whole character death thing.

And we're waiting for proof that someone asked to leave the show.

[Elysiannn]

I've been pondering the statement by Kristin "For you, anything. Read only if you want to know: The ultimate reason for his death is the ultimate betrayal from someone he believes to be his trusted ally.

Who actually feels he has a trusted ally? Jack & Sayid; Jack & Hurley? Jack & Locke? Sawyer doesn't have a trusted male ally. I don't think Locke feels he has one either. I think it comes down to Jack & Sayid. Much to my sorrow.

[nastyned]

The betrayal could be by a male character's female ally.

I don't think Jack truly trusts Sayid and I don't see Sayid "betraying" him in a life-or-death way. Sawyer doesn't really tust anyone. My guess is that Locke will be the one who will do the betraying. Jack, Boone and Walt probably consider him a trusted ally.

[Primus29]

for what it's worth, actors don't have to ask to be written out of shows for their characters to die.

[Wildcatbn]

I is Boone he trusts Locke and follows him around like a puppy. I think we will get to see Locke's dark side soon. Or he panics when Boone opens the hatch and all the monkeys come flying out (LOL sorry had to add that). Boone really had no point to the story and killing him would affect the whole group cause Shannon would freak out.

My vote Boone death by flying monkeys.

[Maybishudbahippy]

My guess is that Locke will be the one who will do the betraying.

Yes, nastyned. On Kristin's E! Spoilers, there was a fifty-fifty chance that Locke was the one to do the betraying. (The other fifty-fifty chance was that there would be some incestuous relationship on Alias.
I agree with you. Locke seems like the kind of person that would betray. Especially because he is so possessive of the Hatch.

[Squirrelacideisbad]

boone is definately the one to go. first of all, he is the only one who really has an ally, or at least who he thinks is an ally (locke) Secondly, it leaves way for shannon and sayid without having the added drama of boone. we get enough of that from jack, kate, and sawyer. Last, boone doesn't really add much to the story. Plus there isn't really anything about his past that could add to the story line. As far as i'm concerned. It's boone (i also hope, i don't like him very much). Period.

[Cassis1]

Actually, what Kristen "confirmed" (because apparently she's not supertrustworthy if she's gotten the date of the BCD completely wrong) is that someone dies INDIRECTLY because of Locke. It doesn't mean that Locke is himself the betrayer; it just means that he's somehow the catalyst for the situation. If, for example, Locke told Sayid to go down into the hatch and make sense of the alien computer banks, and Sayid did so, only to have Boone lock him in the hatch with an army of Ethan robozombies, Locke would be indirectly responsible but Boone would be the actual betrayer.

[Mattie]

Here's the riddle from The_French_Lady:

RHO Virus Funk Ended
yes, loNg it has been,
since i spOke To you all last.
was it worth THE wait?
you will find out pretty Fast.

4 is for death but
who will it befall? I kNow.
8 is 4 the one
thAt wilL soon fall from a throw.

15 minus five...
oh...well now i've said too much!
i must stop here ya'll,
more latEr, i'll be in touch!

If you take all the letters in capitals (not including the title) it's N O T T H E F I N A L L Y (not the finale).

She also posted another riddle and if you go backwards by 2 from each letter it spells out "it's not the baby".

Taking her clues...8 is 4 the one. and 15 minus five (which is 10) I think Boone dies.

- Boone had the Chinese symbols on his shirt that stood for the numbers 4 8 and 10.

The riddle says 8 is 4 the one. Also 15 minus 5. Which gives you 10.

- "It's not the finale" obviously means the person dies BEFORE the finale. (Note: The_French_Lady always gives clues for the the episode NEXT...which would be ep 19. Does someone die in episode 19 way before the finale? Also note: ABC has not released promo pictures from this episode, but has already released 5 promo pictures from episode 20. Why are they skipping 19?)

- "It's not the baby" obviously means the baby isn't the character who dies. It's a major character.

[accygirl]

I think that the death occurs in Episode 20; the events leading to the death occur in Episode 19. From what I gather, the production staff, writers, actors, etc. are pretty pleased with how Episode 20 turned out and they cannot stop talking about how emotional the death sequence is.

[zubazpants]

Wow, that riddle is certainly interesting. I've no idea who it is implying will die, but reading it makes me think that Walt will kill the one who does.

Earlier spoilers have indicated that Locke is partly responsible for the death in a somewhat indirect manner. And this riddle states:

8 is 4 the one
thAt wilL soon fall from a throw.

This made me think of Locke teaching Walt to accurately throw a knife. Walt doing so and killing someone would certainly put some responsibility on Locke for teaching him that skill. Secondly, the riddle also says:

15 minus five...
oh...well now i've said too much!

Maybe this refers to Walt by his age, which is 15-5 = 10 years old. I'm still wondering who he might kill, and how that ties into the whole "trusted ally" deal.

[Master Xander]

I am now guessing that the death just might happen at Episode 20.

Claire goes into labor while a helpless Charlie goes into panic mode. Meanwhile Locke is missing, Jack tends to a wounded survivor and Sayid presents Shannon with a romantic surprise.

Unless ABC is springing an early April Fools on us (this IS the first episode to air in April):

1. It has been mentioned that the death occurs during the birth. It appears that this might be the episode Claire gives birth.

2. This ties into the spoiler that Jack won't deliver the baby. He's off tending to a wounded survivor (who's unnamed, so there's still the possibility it's a redshirt), while Claire seems to be stuck with Charlie. Again.

3. Locke is apparently indirectly responsible for the character death. In this episode, he goes missing. The correlation between the two thoughts is high to ME, anyway.

Unless, of course, Claire begins her 5-episode arc of just... going into labor.

[Mattie]

Unless, of course, Claire begins her 5-episode arc of just... going into labor.

Oh God please no. Don't let that be true, LOL.

[edens demise]

Well to continue on with the death not happening on the finale spoilerfix just recently posted this.....

03/09 - The soon to be dead person will bite the big one before the season finale in May. Way before. And don't misinterpret the he/she thing. The ill-fated islander is not a hermaphrodite. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TVGuide


I know most have read it but for those who haven't, I didn't see it posted. If it was then, well, I'm lazy.

[Squirrelacideisbad]

i agree. i think the person who is going to die is going down in the 20th episode. i think its probably one of those "old soul dies new soul comes in" sort of thing. it also said that sayid had something planed for shannon which i think means he couldn't be the one eliminated
i also read somewhere that the character dies because of "the ultimate betrayal by a trusted ally" hense why i think it is boone who dies

[Mattie]

The_French_Lady gives clues for the NEXT episode. Which would be 19. Unless she knows something ahead of time, which would make it episode 20.

I just find it interesting ABC has released promotional pictures for episode 20 already but not for 19. Skipping it for a reason?

[lovingdominic]

lol, remember David Caruso? He left NYPD Blue in the first season to make movies and look where that got him.
My guess would be Boone. Shannon and Sayid are together, so there's nowhere for him to go there and without sounding cruel, he's not a real asset.

[soonerfaithful]

This ties into the spoiler that Jack won't deliver the baby. He's off tending to a wounded survivor (who's unnamed, so there's still the possibility it's a redshirt)

I'm still new here so I'm not sure if I can bring something over from another site or post a link.
spoiler warning

Spoilerfix.com says it's Sawyer that Jack is tending to. The thing with Sawyer is actually from Deux Ex Machina. So it could be his illness continues over to show 20.

[yung23]

after reading all this, my guess is Kate and Sawyer meet up with our island Host, and Kate ditches sawyer who stands to fight it, being the Kate loving trouble looking, no fear guy he is.

That and the idea he may wish to leave to do other things, he has gotten "Brad Pitts attention like in Thema and Louise"...

IMO

that or Boone dies trying to open the hatch, which scares Locke and temporarily takes his ability to walk away, just as the boar did long ago.

[JigglyJones99]

Please excuse me if this has been posted before, I didn't see it. This is from Kristin's column at Eonline (!possible spoiler!)--

"Spoiler Riddle of the Week: One of the following storylines is true; the other is bogus. Is it (1) Lost's Sayid sets out to kill one of the main characters, or (2) Gilmore Girls' Rory gets pregnant?"


The answer will be in Kristin's chat on Monday. Hope this info helps!

[luxe]

I saw that too, and then came across this over at spoilerfix.com

03/09 - I can confirm for you that she ain't gonna get prego - with Logan's baby or a can of tomato sauce. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TVGuide


looks like Sayid might be the actual killer?

[Squirrelacideisbad]

that makes me think that boone is definately the one to go. i think sayid might want to get boone because of something with shannon. or maybe i am just way off because that does happen a lot.