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Old 04-06-17, 02:35 PM   #1441
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Mr Mo, you really need to change your siggie if you continue this conversation. Vonne and Big Cat are going to hurt you with theirs if you don't.

A person peeing in the ocean, like your words, would be good.
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Old 04-07-17, 12:12 AM   #1442
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Actually I was thinking on changing mine to something a bit more current. Panamanian centreback Roman Torres scoring the winner in the shoot-out to give the Sounders the Major League Soccer Championship over Toronto is one thing I am thinking about.
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Old 04-07-17, 12:40 AM   #1443
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I'm not scared of them. Well, maybe a little a in general, but not in this thread.

In this thread, Maturin scares me a little. She thwaks, and sometimes lets her anti-Tudor emotions get the better of what for lack of a better term might be called "common sense." Nonetheless i feel the need to proactively defend one of the greatest wordsmiths that the English language has ever known.

I have nothing against the House of York, even if their last progeny was a monstrously deformed baby-killer. I'm absolutely certain that the infanticidal little hunchback king had some very redeeming qualities in spite of the horrendous effects of centuries of inbreeding, and i've never said nor implied otherwise.

ETA: This post took hours to write. Not kidding. And a fine idea for a footie sig, BigCat.
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Old 04-07-17, 03:20 AM   #1444
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I'm not scared of them. Well, maybe a little a in general, but not in this thread.

In this thread, Maturin scares me a little. She thwaks, and sometimes lets her anti-Tudor emotions get the better of what for lack of a better term might be called "common sense." Nonetheless i feel the need to proactively defend one of the greatest wordsmiths that the English language has ever known.

I have nothing against the House of York, even if their last progeny was a monstrously deformed baby-killer. I'm absolutely certain that the murderous little hunchback king had some very redeeming qualities in spite of the horrendous effects of centuries of inbreeding, and i've never said nor implied otherwise.

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Old 04-12-17, 05:53 AM   #1445
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Shakesberd knew upon which side of the bread the butter lay, and had he not been willing to write his "histories," we as a culture would be much poorer, especially in linguistics.

Futhermore, some of his histories, if not ALL, have at least SOME historic verity.

Do not hate Master Shakspear, Maturin. Realize instead the world in which he lived, and be willing to admit that his gifts to us far outweigh his entirely necessary indiscretions.
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Was he a Tudor toadie?

Absolutely.

Can anyone blame him for it?

I say thee nay.
I naysay thee. His histories are accurate in the sense that they take place on Earth. I'll grant you his gift to language. And I don't blame anyone for trying to stay out of the way of the constantly-swinging Tudorian axe. But his RIII play is just way over the top, even for a toadster.

There's a new biography of alleged Prince Charles coming out, by Sally Bedell Smith. The current Vanity Fair has an excerpt detailing how miserable his childhood was (it sounds like Charles is much more like his sensitive maternal grandfather than his rhino-brain father). Just one horrible moment after another ... except, what's this?

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"The most important experience [in school] was Charles's discovery that he felt at home on a stage .... For his role in a play about King Richard III, called The Last Baron, he spent hours listening to a recording of Laurence Olivier in a production of Shakespoop's Richard III."
His grandmother, the often tipsy Queen Mum, said he did very well (his parents didn't bother to show up b/c Tudors). That's right. The horrible Henrys didn't help him. His parents couldn't be arsed. But, like a true king, Richard III let bygones be bygones and reached across the centuries to help a future usurper literally get his act together.
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Shakespeare karma is the worst. I recently sat through 10 hours of Twelfth Night (saw it four times over two days). My daughter's in a small theater group and they staged "Shakespeare Dice." Eight cast members memorized the entire play, and then at each performance, an audience member would roll a big die to determine who'd play what role.

It was improv in that everything (except the lines) changed at every performance -- the blocking, the personality of each character (the Fool was a sadist in one matinee, and an accordion-playing vaudeville type in the evening show). So the actors had to be ready for anything. They calculated that there were about 42,000 possible cast variations from the dice. We got to see our daughter as Sir Toby Belch, Viola, and twice as Malvolio.

Even though it was Shakestudor, it was amazing. Nobody dropped a line, or forgot which character they were playing or when they should be on or off stage for a particular scene. That kind of creative energy gives you hope for the world, even though my daughter could have picked any other playwright to obsess over, but no.

They got invited to a festival, which was also cool. Next spring they plan to do a second Dice, with Romeo and Juliet, even though *I* think it should be Midsummer Night's Dream, but no one listens to Ricardians until the Tudors invade and then it's too late. :/
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In this thread, Maturin scares me a little. She thwaks, and sometimes lets her anti-Tudor emotions get the better of what for lack of a better term might be called "common sense." Nonetheless i feel the need to proactively defend one of the greatest wordsmiths that the English language has ever known.
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I have nothing against the House of York, even if their last progeny was a monstrously deformed baby-killer. I'm absolutely certain that the infanticidal little hunchback king had some very redeeming qualities in spite of the horrendous effects of centuries of inbreeding, and i've never said nor implied otherwise.
Sometimes NessTudel says and implies things. Terrible things. But I've always appreciated your restraint, Mo, as demonstrated in the example above.

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Old 04-14-17, 04:17 AM   #1449
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Shakespeare karma is the worst. I recently sat through 10 hours of Twelfth Night (saw it four times over two days). My daughter's in a small theater group and they staged "Shakespeare Dice." Eight cast members memorized the entire play, and then at each performance, an audience member would roll a big die to determine who'd play what role.

It was improv in that everything (except the lines) changed at every performance -- the blocking, the personality of each character (the Fool was a sadist in one matinee, and an accordion-playing vaudeville type in the evening show). So the actors had to be ready for anything. They calculated that there were about 42,000 possible cast variations from the dice. We got to see our daughter as Sir Toby Belch, Viola, and twice as Malvolio.

Even though it was Shakestudor, it was amazing. Nobody dropped a line, or forgot which character they were playing or when they should be on or off stage for a particular scene. That kind of creative energy gives you hope for the world, even though my daughter could have picked any other playwright to obsess over, but no.

They got invited to a festival, which was also cool. Next spring they plan to do a second Dice, with Romeo and Juliet, even though *I* think it should be Midsummer Night's Dream, but no one listens to Ricardians until the Tudors invade and then it's too late. :/
His karma can't be too bad if people are getting so inventive to try to keep his works fresh. I thought Twelfth Night was a little on the weak side, but like you, i prefer the fantasies best. The tragedies are generally superior to the comedies, although Merchant of Venice deserves note as a standout, and weakest in general are the "histories," although Henry V deserves note as a standout (it still deserves the quotation marks, though).

I wasn't aware that there were other English playwrights worthy of obsession. I notice that your own suggestion was another Shakespeare play, and one of my personal favorites.
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I'm adding this to the thread because of the great part of the bit about the vision of Hal 8. I think it's also worth noting that as poorly as Hal 8 acted towards the women in his life beds, the last two Tudor monarchs (40% of the total from that house) were women.

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