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Old 06-10-17, 04:10 AM   #1
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Gaiman's Sandman GD *spoilers after page 1*

Neil Gaiman's Sandman series has been steadily gaining popularity here at our forum. It has a fairly small but dedicated fan base, and it looks as though that base will continue to grow.

Aside from discussion on other varied threads, there are already two dedicated threads, but neither is a GD thread. I ask that we keep spoiler-ish discussion under spoiler tags ON THE FIRST PAGE ONLY. After post #10, newbs and noobs beware.

We have a great review thread here: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=87063

We have a very fun first-read thread here: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=82070

We have ongoing first-read threads here: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=87684

And here: http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=87685

Vonnegut was good enough to post a chronological list of the books of the original series, in order, on the What's New thread in Lostaways. I'm going to copy that here, and expand on it in order to include ancillary books which are very important, mildly important, and/or merely interesting. The Amazon links were added by vonne as well; i'm being too lazy to add them to my additions to the list.

1) Preludes and Nocturnes (1989)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-P...ywords=sandman

2) Doll's House (1990)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-D...K7NM4JSK90HX1E

3) Dream Country (1991)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-D...A9DJFHH50PCZVV

4) Season of Mists (1992)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-S...A9DJFHH50PCZVV
(SO GOOD)

4.1) Death: The High Cost of Living (1993)

5) A Game of You (1993)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-G...GWXAG6FFG2B36Y

6) Fables and Reflections (1994)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-F...M6NKAG2DT2G5WJ
(the best short story collection)

7) Brief Lives (1995)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-B...XJNGA9AKF2PF8D


8) World's End
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-W...6WPABAGMCB7WP7

8.1) Death: The Time of Your Life (1996)

9) The Kindly Ones (1996)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-K...WRK479EC1AM895
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10) The Wake (1997)
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-1...29YF4A6B0RK601


That's the original series.

11) Sandman: The Dream Hunters (1999) This is a tale of Morpheus which isn't directly related to the main story. If I recall correctly, Mr Gaiman had wanted for years to work with the artist, and the artist had wanted for years to draw a story of Gaiman's Dream.

12) Endless Nights.

New book that just came out is a prequel BUT you have to read all of the other ones first before you read the prequel:
0 / 13) Overture
https://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Overt...ndman+overture

The book known as Sandman: Book of Dreams is a collection of tales that were edited by but not written by Neil Gaiman. I personally recommend it to completists only. Likewise there was a 60-issue comic run called The Dreaming. Personally I liked it better than Book of Dreams because it featured personal favorites like...

Spoiler: very minor spoilers, just names of a few characters who call The Dreaming their home
Mervyn Pumpkinhead, Matthew the Raven, Eve, Nuala, and others.


... but it's definitely NOT required reading for those wishing to have said they read the series. Technically the Death books aren't part of the Sandman series but I really strongly advise reading both of them before venturing into The Kindly Ones.

Anyway, I hope this thread offers some fun, and if not, I hope it dies a good death.
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Old 06-10-17, 07:49 PM   #2
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Re: Gaiman's Sandman General Discussion

So, does this series work as an ebook, or do I need to get physical copies?
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Re: Gaiman's Sandman General Discussion

For all i know, there may be e-versions. I personally think that almost as much of the story takes place in the artwork as takes place in the conversations. Your mileage may vary, obviously, but i would think it particularly difficult to understand the spirit of the protagonist without seeing him in his various renderings.
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Re: Gaiman's Sandman General Discussion

Someone I know who got the kindle version or whatever, said it was really great, easy to see, and that you could easily zoom in and out of screen to get more detail.

But, as an e-book hater in general, I think you should read this in the physical.
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Question:

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Where does the Shakespeare plot line begin? The night we all apparently re-read the first-read thread (), I saw that the "Midsummer" story is in Volume 3, but does S-poop show up earlier in that book or in a previous one? Asking bc my daughter's troupe is considering "Midsummer." Karma is an endless bitch. I mentioned the Sandman take on it and she wants to re-read that story line.
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Where does the Shakespeare plot line begin? The night we all apparently re-read the first-read thread (), I saw that the "Midsummer" story is in Volume 3, but does S-poop show up earlier in that book or in a previous one? Asking bc my daughter's troupe is considering "Midsummer." Karma is an endless bitch. I mentioned the Sandman take on it and she wants to re-read that story line.
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Shakespeare first appears in book 2, Doll's House. During that little interlude with Hob (Robert), the guy who decided not to die. At one point, when Hob and Morpheus are having their centennial meeting, Morpheus makes a deal with Shakespeare-- "Midsummer" is one of the two things that Morpheus asks for, in return for giving Shakespeare talent and fame.
The second thing is the "Tempest," I think.
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Re: Gaiman's Sandman General Discussion

That is what I remembered too.

Spoiler: the plays of the bargain
Morpheus mentuoned once that he required two plays from Will at one point. At another point (this one definitely during Midsummer's, Will asks Dream if he is "welll pleased" or satisfied or something, and Morpheus says that Will has held up his end of the bargain; The Tempest having been written earlier. But I don't think Tempest is ever mentioned by name, but everybody who has both Sandman and Shaxberd simply [b]KNOWS[/ib] that that's the other play in play in the deal, because no other play would make sense.


That's my take on it, based on my own memories.
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Spoiler: The Tempest

I thought they mentioned the Tempest by name at the end of "The Wake" when they have that little Shakespeare one-off chapter
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Meh. I like 6 more than 8.
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Did you read Sandman while on a cocaine psychosis phase too? I thought one of the things you admired about Sandman was its scope. Doesn't get much bigger in scope than 8. Also, you're definitely not the first woman to say that, but I believe rulers and/or tape measures are usually involved.

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Sandman has ALL THE TUDORS IN IT.

Maturin's favorite chapter is the one with Shakespeare in it-- this is how I finally discovered that she's actually a secret Tudorphile.

Haven't we all thought that she protests too much?
Yes, yes, YES, and YESSSS (except Ness should only settle down if and when she happens to feel like it, gosh)

There is no shame is liking both R3 and Biil the Bard.

As per...
Spoiler: Tempest
You could well be right. I wish I had a copy to go check.
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Did you read Sandman while on a cocaine psychosis phase too? I thought one of the things you admired about Sandman was its scope. Doesn't get much bigger in scope than 8.
8 was just poorly placed. I mean, coming off of the intensity of Brief Lives, then I get like, practically NO Morpheus, a total break from the storyline that's been building so that we can sit around in an inn and listen to people blather on about their stupid non-Morpheus selves. It killed the momentum. If anything, put it AFTER Kindly Ones to let us calm down a little bit, before slamming us with Wake.

In short:
Not enough Morpheus.

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Also, you're definitely not the first woman to say that, but I believe rulers and/or tape measures are usually involved.
I could say "8 might be a fun fling, but 6 is what you want to marry" and be totally referring to Sandman.
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