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Old 07-17-17, 03:21 PM   #71
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This is just the situation I was trying to avoid (i.e. Qyburn and the wildfire). Damn you GRRM and whatever the name of the showrunners are again.
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Old 07-17-17, 03:40 PM   #72
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The argument that Arya didn't kill the Freys would have to be convoluted to the point of absurdity.

I feel like saying "maybe someone else did it!" is really not being honest or rational, which undermines the scoring.

Like, if that's the deal, then from now on, anytime anyone kills anyone, I'll say "Really Arya did it, wearing a different face. You can't PROVE that it wasn't her! Or, maybe it was another Faceless Man. IT'S POSSIBLE!"
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Old 07-17-17, 03:41 PM   #73
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And now I don't have to make an argument.
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Old 07-17-17, 04:09 PM   #74
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Re: Game of Thrones - Fantasy League - Jon Snow Edition

I feel like not giving Arya the points would be silly. Are we going to see someone stabbed through the head with a sword and then say, "We didn't see his heart stop, he could just be unconscious!"

Let's leave the madness of the wildfire debate behind us.
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Old 07-17-17, 04:13 PM   #75
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All I'm saying is Arya being awarded the points establishes a precedence since we didn't actually witness her poisoning the wine. Whatever decision is made should also be applied to other situations of the kind for consistency as people will be making choices based on how the points are or aren't applied.
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Old 07-17-17, 04:16 PM   #76
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I think the scene established pretty clearly what happened, so I would hope this decision takes precedence.
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She either filled the bottles with poison herself or enlisted someone else to do it. My thought is she disguised herself as someone who had access to the wine stock. She planned the act from beginning to end. That's why it was all so precise and glorious. The Freys are dead! I'm sure there's a river they can be dumped into. Give her the points! She is now the hero of GOT.
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She either filled the bottles with poison herself or enlisted someone else to do it. My thought is she disguised herself as someone who had access to the wine stock. She planned the act from beginning to end. That's why it was all so precise and glorious. The Freys are dead! I'm sure there's a river they can be dumped into. Give her the points! She is now the hero of GOT.
Exactly and if she "enlisted someone else to do it", she would not get the points for sure. We don't know which it was because it wasn't shown on screen.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Fantasy League - Jon Snow Edition

Why not split the difference? If the Frey death drop was 30 give Arya 15. I mean the Freys aren't worthy of 100% anything, are they?

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Thinking of last seasons Qyburn conundrum, can you confirm that for the last clarification this means that the proximate cause of the deaths must be witnessed on screen? Or is it only the death itself that must happen on screen?

E.g. Cersei set up a crossbow to kill someone as they enter the room, she talks about it so we know she did it, but we never see her do it. We do however see her victim get impaled. Points for cersei in that instance or no?
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IMO, this is points for Cersei.

If we just see the victim get impaled, and we aren't sure who set up the crossbow, but people are like "It MUST have been Cersei, because who else would have done it?" It isn't points for Cersei.

Last season, if Qyburn was like "Hey, Cersei, I'm going to go set off those candles now," then he would have gotten points for the deaths, I think.
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I agree with all of this.
Based on this, its kinda seeming like Arya shouldnt get the death points. Sorry to use your own words against you Kelly.
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