Today marks the 65th year of the reign of alleged Queen Elizabeth II. Although she is a usurper, it has always been the policy of this thread to recognize the hard work and strength of mind that she and her handbag dedicated to the UK. Her family did not run from the Nazis, and Elizabeth Deux never ran from her duty and her loyalty to her people. RIII would honor those qualities, although maybe not the corgis so much.
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I've just finished reading The White Queen by Phillipa Gregory and have learned much about Maturin's angst. I'm not sure I share her angst but at least now I know a bit more about why she is so enamored by Richard the III.
I ventured out into Wiki-land to learn more. What I learned is that RIII's scoliosis while looking severe in bone only, was not that physically disfigured. He could probably cover his deformity up with clothing and that one shoulder was higher than the other. This scoliosis was of an idiopathic nature, that meaning that there was no known cause of it. In the book The White Queen Elizabeth Woodville, Edward IV's wife, put a curse on his supposed plotting and imprisonment of her son/s, King Edward V. Hence the idopathicness is interesting explained.
Then at RIII's death, he apparently was humiliated by being dead and tied naked over a horse. He was paraded through the town this way.
Come on Maturin, tell me more.
If I did not know you better, 9mile, I would suspect you of trying to start another War of the Roses.
Elizabeth Woodville is a curse upon history. After the death of her husband, King Edward IV (who was probably a non-York bastard, not that I'm judging), EW tried to arrange a marriage between her daughter (Elizabeth of York) and RIII, which he refused because E of Y was his niece and it would have been creepy.
Humiliation wounds (stabbing warriors after they were dead) were part of medieval warfare. RIII was indeed displayed after being betrayed and murdered, partly to prove that he was actually deceased and partly because the Tudors were jerks from Jerkstown.
On a happier note, this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament has not been so bad for medieval Catholic warlords. Xavier went pretty far, and Gonzaga is in the Final Four. RIII's brackets, as always, somewhat hopelessly have Gonzaga winning it all. But that whole Carolina v Carolina thing feels kinda predestined, especially since SC is also in the women's title game.
North Carolina is named for the King Charleses I and II of England, and South Carolina is named for them and for Charles IX of France. The English Charleses descend from the Tudors, so bah. The French Charles IX probably connects with the Yorks via the Anjou/Plantagenet line in France, so Go Gamecocks in the women's title game for sure, and in the men's title game if it comes to that.
But, come on, Gonzaga. Time to end years of warlord heartbreak.
Interesting the way you put it, and although I'm not verbally sparring with you, I will.
My first real knowledge of the subject was from the book I just read and the account it gives is totally opposite to yours. However the book leaves it open, although it give good reason why RIII wouldn't kill his nephews, it also never closes that argument either.
The book painted Elizabeth Woodville as quite a good character, although quite contriving and plotting to remain in the power position.
While Gregory's previous book I've read, "The Other Bolyen Girl" was very lusty, this book, "The White Queen" is full of historical facts. That is the way history comes alive for me. Reading about military manuevers is confusing and hard to figure without some 3-d characters around to show what went on, but this book helped me to understand it better. Check it out, Maturin, if you are not to rattled to read about the other side, it might be enjoyable to you.
Military history goes over my head, but social history is what I want to know mostly. How did the people of the time actually go about their daily business and routines? That way I can put it into context and think of my genealogy wondering how my people lived.