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Old 05-20-17, 12:10 AM   #41
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

Gertie, I think the issue is not that your sister wanted you to get help, it was that it was a doctor who just threw you on Zoloft after a 5 min conversation.

Really what might suit you better would be to start with therapy first, and then see if meds are indicated.
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Old 05-20-17, 12:23 AM   #42
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Thank you. I think (?) I'm fine now, but there was a dark period. Not at all life-threatening, just down.
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Old 05-20-17, 12:58 AM   #43
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Lexapro is an SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor), the most common family of antidepressants. Other brand name SSRIs are Prozac, Zoloft, and Paxil (there are variants, but those are the primary SSRIs).

To the best of my understanding, SSRIs work by slowing the brain's intake of serotonin after an event which caused a serotonin spike. This slowing helps prevent a "crash" sensation, when the natural serotonin has been all absorbed. This prevention of crashing helps prevent depression.

SSRIs such as Prozac were the first truly effective antidepressant pharaceuticals available in the US. They can have nasty side effects, though - like I said, different drugs affect different people in different ways.

A newer class of antidepressants is SSNRIs, which are Selective Serotonin and Norepinephrine Reuptake inhibitors. Serotonin is related to psychotropic euphoria in large doses, and correlates directly to mood regulation. Norepinephrine is related more to energy levels,

The newest (that I yet know of) class of antidepressants are SSDRIs, or Selective Serotonin and Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors. Dopamine, if you didn't know, is THEE pleasure chemical for the brain, so the possibilities for these drugs go WAY beyond treating depressions.

Personally, I really do think yung is right, and there's a good chance that all this pharmacology will be utterly moot soon enough.
SSRIs are the lucrative "solution" of the medical industry based on their fabricated notion that serotonin is the"happiness molecule."

In contrast to this quack science of the medical orthodoxy a sizable volume of sound research studies demonstrated that increasing serotonin and tryptophan either with drugs or supplements is linked to brain dysfunction, stress hormone release, cognitive deficits, inflammation, impaired blood circulation in the brain, hypertension, cancer, and other less than "happy" effects - Tryptophan Side Effects & The Serotonin-Happiness Myth

The "serotonin-happiness" mantra, just like the mechanistic simplistic "chemical imbalance" idea, seem to be almost entirely an all-too convenient inventions of the medical-pharma business, which allowed them to sell their highly profitable antidepressant drugs, such as SSRIs.
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Old 05-20-17, 01:02 AM   #44
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gosh, this is your introduction? ahem. (first post noted for posterity)
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Old 05-20-17, 03:32 AM   #45
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I believe it. I felt all of those things when I was on Zoloft, for exactly one month or so. Blood pressure and weird poundings in both ears, could hear the blood rushing. Strange up and down moods. Zero libido. Weird night sweats. All from one of the STARTING doses.

Does that mean it does less harm to someone who takes it and feels no effects? I don't think that's necessarily the case. Drugs may effect us differently in small symptoms, but I think the overall negative effects will be throughout everyone. It's crazy stuff.
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What historical sources are you using for suicide rates in ancient times?
What are you, the MSM? I'm not going to do the homework for you. Sad!
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OK, since MSM vonnegut had to Kellyanne Conway me, I just wasted about fifteen minutes of my life researching and learning about US suicide rates. It appears we are on a slight uptick, but that generally they are unchanged from many decades and maintain somewhat of an average. I still say 75% or more are probably on some type of medication though, and I don't think it's just because they've been diagnosed in the past. I think the medicine more often than not triggers it or exacerbates it.
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What are you, the MSM? I'm not going to do the homework for you. Sad!
No, I'm literally just curious what sources you would use for a sweeping historical claim, because what I've learned is different.
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OK, since MSM vonnegut had to Kellyanne Conway me, I just wasted about fifteen minutes of my life researching and learning about US suicide rates. It appears we are on a slight uptick, but that generally they are unchanged from many decades and maintain somewhat of an average. I still say 75% or more are probably on some type of medication though, and I don't think it's just because they've been diagnosed in the past. I think the medicine more often than not triggers it or exacerbates it.
Well, it's not just a theory that some medications can cause suicide / suicidal urges, ESPECIALLY in teens and young adults.

And I think it's telling how many "mass shooter" situations, the culprit was a young person on meds.

But, I wasn't sure if the historical claim re: suicide is really fact.

Either way, I think that:

"NO ONE SHOULD EVER TAKE ANY MEDS FOR MENTAL ILLNESS"

is about as rational as

"ANYONE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS SHOULD JUST BE STUFFED FULL OF PILLS TO FIX THEM"

Both extremes don't take real people into account.
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FTR, I had similar side effects from Zoloft, which is why I stopped.

But, some people have used Zoloft and have managed to get their life back in that way, because it has helped the absolutely terrible way they are feeling.

We're different with different brains. Something may work for one person, and not for another, and vice versa.
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