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Old 04-01-17, 05:55 PM   #1431
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Re: Richard III

9mm, you really, REALLY need to ready Josephine Tey's Daughter of Time. Seriously. You do. Lots of history AND common sense, and great writing, period.
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Old 04-01-17, 11:21 PM   #1432
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I'll keep that in mind, Az. Love me some historical fiction. Or fictionalized history.
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Not too long ago, i read an exceptionally well-researched fictional account of the near-immortal Battle at Agincourt.

I strongly believe that Agincourt would be remembered for at least as long as Waterloo, if only because tactical instructors will need to teach multiple possible solutions for each side at Agincourt, and Waterloo is only one of the ways that that tactic (the English tactic at Agincourt) could've been beaten, and Waterloo as a response is more likely to become obsolete long before the rough field approximation of Agincourt loses tactical relevance.

With that said, Agincourt today is best remembered because The Bard of Avon, William Shaxbard (sp?) wrote one of his "historical" plays that featured its climax at Agincourt. The King's speech, and his movement among the troops throughout the evening before the attack, betray a shocking similarity between the historical record and the play itself, though much if not most of the rest of the play is almost certainly purely invented.

The book i so recently read downplayed the morale boost the King gave his exhausted, starving, and dysenterious troops. It also somewhat downplayed the critical roles that knights and men-at-arms and even flagbearers played in creating rallies that were each and every one absolutely crucial to the eventual English victory. To be fair, he was trying to keep the book under 500 pages, and one can hardly blame him. In the end, he wrote a reasonably accurate, highly enjoyable, and highly successful historical novel. ETA2: He was also telling the tale through an archer narrator.

Shakesberd knew upon which side of the bread the butter lay, and had he not been willing to write his "histories," we as a culture would be much poorer, especially in linguistics.

Futhermore, some of his histories, if not ALL, have at least SOME historic verity.

Do not hate Master Shakspear, Maturin. Realize instead the world in which he lived, and be willing to admit that his gifts to us far outweigh his entirely necessary indiscretions.
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Not too long ago, i read an exceptionally well-researched fictional account of the near-immortal Battle at Agincourt.

I strongly believe that Agincourt would be remembered for at least as long as Waterloo, if only because tactical instructors will need to teach multiple possible solutions for each side at Agincourt, and Waterloo is only one of the ways that that tactic (the English tactic at Agincourt) could've been beaten, and Waterloo as a response is more likely to become obsolete long before the rough field approximation of Agincourt loses tactical relevance.

With that said, Agincourt today is best remembered because The Bard of Avon, William Shaxbard (sp?) wrote one of his "historical" plays that featured its climax at Agincourt. The King's speech, and his movement among the troops throughout the evening before the attack, betray a shocking similarity between the historical record and the play itself, though much if not most of the rest of the play is almost certainly purely invented.

The book i so recently read downplayed the morale boost the King gave his exhausted, starving, and dysenterious troops. It also somewhat downplayed the critical roles that knights and men-at-arms and even flagbearers played in creating rallies that were each and every one absolutely crucial to the eventual English victory. To be fair, he was trying to keep the book under 500 pages, and one can hardly blame him. In the end, he wrote a reasonably accurate, highly enjoyable, and highly successful historical novel. ETA2: He was also telling the tale through an archer narrator.

Shakesberd knew upon which side of the bread the butter lay, and had he not been willing to write his "histories," we as a culture would be much poorer, especially in linguistics.

Futhermore, some of his histories, if not ALL, have at least SOME historic verity.

Do not hate Master Shakspear, Maturin. Realize instead the world in which he lived, and be willing to admit that his gifts to us far outweigh his entirely necessary indiscretions.
It appeared to me while reading my book that most gentry, soldiers and others all knew what "side their bread was buttered" and they would liberally flip their sides to meet the one in power. But then doesn't that still happen these days?
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Ooooh, Mo mentioning Tudor Scum up in the thread.


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Re: Richard III

Was he a Tudor toadie?

Absolutely.

Can anyone blame him for it?

I say thee nay.
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