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Old 07-17-17, 11:57 PM   #251
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AHA!
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https://phys.org/news/2015-03-quantu...-physical.html


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(Phys.org)—While Einstein considered quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance," and those who fully accept entanglement acknowledge it to be counterintuitive, current entanglement-based quantum communication schemes for transferring an unknown quantum state from one place to another require classical transportation of particles between sender and receiver. Now consider this: Recently, scientists in China at Harbin Institute of Technology, Yanbian University and Changchun University demonstrated what is known as a counterfactual approach in which quantum information can be transferred between two distant participants without sending any physical particles between them. The researchers accomplished this by entangling two nonlocal qubits with each other without interaction – meaning that the present scheme can transport an unknown qubit in a nondeterministic manner without prior entanglement sharing or classical communication between the participants. Moreover, the scientists state that their approach provides a new method for creating entanglement that allows two qubits to be entangled without interaction between them.
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By using the so-called chained quantum Zeno effect, the 2013 paper showed how information can in fact be transferred between two locations without any physical particles traveling between them. (In the quantum Zeno effect, time evolution caused by quantum decoherence in quantum systems is suppressed by, for example, continuous observation or measurement, interaction with the environment, or stochastic fields. In a chained quantum Zeno effect, a series of secondary splitter/detector loops ensure that there is never a significant probability of decoherence)


"This mind-boggling and highly counterintuitive communication protocol inspired us to think whether quantum information can be transferred counterfactually," Zhang adds, "so in fact, our present scheme can be considered as an incremental extension of Salih's work from classical bit to quantum bit."

THIS MUST BE WHY THE QZE HAS BEEN USED TO "PROTECT ENTANGLEMENT"
https://arxiv.org/abs/0710.3914
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Old 07-18-17, 01:02 AM   #252
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Kinda sounds to me like the entanglement is being "found" rather than "made." I guess that's parsing words, rhetorical, and irrelevant to the main points.

Seems like one of the main points is that if information can be transmitted virtually instantaneously from anywhere in the universe to anywhere in the universe; AND information is the basic building block of all energy/matter... well, then...

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yep. you were right mo.

kinda, but point awarded!

I need to read the entire pdf. its being created, counterfactually.

I just don't get how a "measured" wavefunction gets from one location to another to create the entanglement if its not there in the first place to communicate via.


nor how its being measured without collapse..

but compressive sensing might hold that answer..
repeated measurements.....
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Old 07-18-17, 05:26 PM   #254
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Here is Bill Binney with his best attempt to expose these TI crimes.



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Old 07-19-17, 04:59 AM   #255
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Maybe they're not actually measuring the waveform?

Maybe their "guesstimating" it instead? Keep guesstimating until you see the results you were looking for... it's an indirect form of measurement that could fend off collapse?

I'm just throwing shit at the wall here. I wonder if any of it sticks?
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I knew you were gonna say that.
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That's all you got? Nothing about the actual content of the thread itself? Just a cheesy one-liner? What are you, another Neill clone?
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I was worried, with so many posts, that my cheesy line had abs. I liked it enough to say it anyway. LOL

Wyd up so late Mr Mo?
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Maybe they're not actually measuring the waveform?

Maybe their "guesstimating" it instead? Keep guesstimating until you see the results you were looking for... it's an indirect form of measurement that could fend off collapse?

I'm just throwing shit at the wall here. I wonder if any of it sticks?
That's why we call it an "Expectation Value."
or Probability.. its the entire premise of tomography and imaging itself.
That's why many measurements are needed too. to decrease the probability of being wrong about position, momentum.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_distribution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigner...y_distribution


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tomography
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The general principle behind quantum state tomography is that by repeatedly performing many different measurements on quantum systems described by identical density matrices, frequency counts can be used to infer probabilities, and these probabilities are combined with Born's rule to determine a density matrix which fits the best with the observations.
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