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Old 08-18-17, 02:18 PM   #141
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Okay, the federal government. You know what I meant.
My point is that why trust a state government more than the feds?

But Ness just nailed it better than i possibly could have.

As for competition, there isn't any. That's why Ness used the term "monopoly." When monopolization happens, capitalism stops working as an economic model. That's why the US has anti-trust laws. Furthermore, regulation is NEEDED in markets like insurance, and i'll give you a very good example of why.

Back in the early 80's, Florida didn't have much regulation on life insurance carriers. Certain companies were able to make billions by selling policies but never settling claims, by making the claims process literally impossible to complete. Eventually Florida's state government fixed the problem, and a few people even went to prison for fraud, but for the most part what they did was technically legal, and most got away with it.
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Old 08-18-17, 02:20 PM   #142
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Can't they just rewrite the existing laws protecting the insurance companies? Or tweak something that makes it affordable? Even countries without single payer insurance do it better than us...
The point is that WE are the ones who need protection. The insurance companies will bank either way.
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The point is that WE are the ones who need protection. The insurance companies will bank either way.
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The point is that WE are the ones who need protection. The insurance companies will bank either way.
This should be etched in stone somewhere.
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This should be etched in stone somewhere.
There are very, very few (if any) corporations of any kind that put the needs of people ahead of profits. That's one of the roles of government - to regulate corporations to protect workers, consumers, citizens - all of us. While government may not be doing a great job, it certainly doing a better job than "self-policing" or "the market". And our job as citizens is to elect people who will actually put our interests first.
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Old 08-18-17, 04:46 PM   #146
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Yes. As a nation, we have consistently failed at that this millenium so far, but to be fair to us, we have been consistently misled.
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Seeking out the perfect therapist can feel as significant and difficult as finding a romantic partner. A study on the effectiveness of trained therapists versus self-help treatment, though, suggests that therapists are not as important as they seem.

A meta-analyses of 15 studies, published in this month’s volume of Administration and Policy in Mental Health and Mental Health Services Research, found no significant difference in the treatment outcomes for patients who saw a therapist and those who followed a self-help book or online program.

The researchers, led by Robert King, psychology professor at Queensland University of Technology in Australia, evaluated the outcomes of 723 patients who were treated for a variety of mental health conditions, including anxiety, PTSD, OCD, and depression.

All 15 studies involved a form of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) treatment, and patient outcomes were evaluated by various mental health diagnostic scales, rather than self-assessment.

Contrary to the researchers’ hypothesis that therapists would provide stronger results (though with greater variability), the results showed that therapists were neither more effective nor more variable than self-help options.
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“We found no difference in treatment completion rate and broad equivalence of treatment outcomes for participants treated through self-help and participants treated through a therapist. Also, contrary to our expectations, we found that the variability of outcomes was broadly equivalent, suggesting that differences in efficacy of individual therapists were not sufficient to make therapy outcomes more variable when a therapist was involved.”

The results suggest that therapists don’t play such a significant role in improving the treatment of therapy. “An effect size of the magnitude found here means that the best estimate of the effect of the presence or absence of a therapist suggests that this variable accounts for <1% of outcome variance,” the researchers write.
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That's interesting. One thing that a therapist offers versus self-help is convenience. You tell the therapist what's bothering you, and instead of having to search through a veritable library of available self-help literature, you'll likely get advice right away.

And therapy is protected. A lot of emotional relief comes simply from verbalization in a safe environment to a sympathetic ear. Getting that relief through self-help doesn't offer the same legal protections as a licensed therapist. Therapists are legally required to report certain things, though, while a trusted friend is not. So it's six of one and a half-dozen of the other, OR it depends on the individual patient's needs.
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Isn't that the thing though? *If* verbalizing thoughts to a sympathetic ear was supposedly more effective, at least even to some, then why do the results examining other studies not support this? They thought the therapist groups would provide better efficacy, albeit with greater variance between super effective or non, but they don't. It seems like some other mechanism of action must be at play for both types of therapy to benefit roughly the same % of people, and for neither therapy to benefit roughly the same %. Wanna bet big pharmaceutical figured out what it is and made it illegal 50 years ago? Lol. That's just the conspiracy theorist in me though. I hella don't trust big pharma. I mean they argue that marijuana is harmful when it is has been one of the most studied and scrutinized plants in the past 100 years and has caused no known deaths. They argue it knowing and having read the multiple studies shown showing marijuana being effective in reducing breast cancer tumors, brain, throat, lung etc. Literally dozens of studies, you can Google them all right now, from reputable universities all around the world. And they argue it is bad and shouldn't be researched. These are the same people who want you to believe they care about your quality of life or odds of survival. LOL #wentoffonatangent
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