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You're pretty lame anyway, Mo 3 20.00%
Pfft, you can't speak Hobbit 3 20.00%
Dang, you probably can't even speak Elvish 3 20.00%
You're totally missing the full experience 8 53.33%
The books are dreadful and take forever 1 6.67%
700 pages of description and a page and a half of action 3 20.00%
LOL you don't know squat about the Dwarves... 3 20.00%
... THEY'RE NOT JUST COMIC RELIEF!!!! 3 20.00%
How can you even follow the storyline? 3 20.00%
LMAO you don't know who Tom Bombadil is! 3 20.00%
He's the best dil EVAR, he's DA BOMB 1 6.67%
McKiernan is better anyway 1 6.67%
Narnia is better anyway 2 13.33%
Dragonlance is better anyway 1 6.67%
Wheel of Time takes a lifetime to read, who has time left for Tolkien? 1 6.67%
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Old 04-11-17, 05:55 AM   #81
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Re: I never read Tolkien

Oh, woah! I never said the dwarves in the book were a joke! I said the dwarf in the first film trilogy was ill-used as comic relief.
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Old 04-11-17, 05:59 AM   #82
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Also, i don't need to know Balin to know that i'd trade him for Evangeline Lilly any day.
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Of course I know you weren't serious.

In the book the Dwarves were mostly scenery. It's all about Bilbo, the impressions the world beyond the borders of The Shire has upon him and his reactions to it. Even Gandalf, who is a central figure in the entire Lord of the Rings story, really plays a very small role. He brings Bilbo in to the company, guides them through the Misty Mountains to the entrance of Mirkwood, and then runs off to investigate The Necromancer, who we learn in Fellowship is Sauron. Before you say that it was rather rude of him to bolt off like that, his entire purpose in finagling Bilbo to accompany the Dwarves hiring a thief for the company was that the look-in on Sauron was his true motive for the trip and he was only helping Thorin and Crew where there interests coincided, and giving them someone not a Dwarf who had a different outlook and skill-set might very well prove to be the factor which turned matters in there favor. Of course it turned out that way because Tolkien wrote it that way.
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Old 04-11-17, 06:06 AM   #84
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Gandalf didn't really care that much that the dwarves had lost their only stronghold in Middle-Earth, and were likely to go extinct if left with only the cold and remote village of Erid Luren (sp?)?

Dang i know wizards are supposed to be aloof, but that borders on being downright cold.

Speaking of cold, Erebor is in the far north. I personally have no stake in a frozen lake, but from what i've heard Middle-Earth used to be a warmer place, sort of like Narnia in the first book of that series, but not as extreme.
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Oh, woah! I never said the dwarves in the book were a joke! I said the dwarf in the first film trilogy was ill-used as comic relief.
Ah, I thought that you were comparing to the book version, not that you were comparing to the LotR movies.

Okay.

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I can die with that.
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Gandalf didn't really care that much that the dwarves had lost their only stronghold in Middle-Earth, and were likely to go extinct if left with only the cold and remote village of Erid Luren (sp?)?

Dang i know wizards are supposed to be aloof, but that borders on being downright cold.

Speaking of cold, Erebor is in the far north. I personally have no stake in a frozen lake, but from what i've heard Middle-Earth used to be a warmer place, sort of like Narnia in the first book of that series, but not as extreme.
Don't know where you got the idea of SGC (Saurogenic Global Cooling) but it's not anywhere in Tolkien.


The Dwarves in Middle Earth are all going extinct anyway because it's the Fourth Age beginning with the destruction of the One Ring and the Fourth Age is the Age of Men. Doesn't matter if they go extinct in Erid Luin or Eribor or trying to dig the last deposits of mithril from the lower levels of Moria, they are all going to eventually die out. Of course Gandalf didn't know that Bilbo already had the One Ring in his possession when they left the Misty Mountains (Why do I get a Led Zeppelin flashback every time I type that? Meh....never mind.) But Sauron beginning to become active in his tower in the southern end of Mirkwood was a clue for the Wizards and the Eldar that the events leading to the end of the Third Age were going to start happening very soon. The birth of Aragorn in Rivendel was another sign. His mother named him Estel at birth, "Hope" in the Sidar Elven language, and when he left to join the Rangers she made the pun "I have given Estel to the Dunaden and left no hope for myself."

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Old 04-14-17, 08:52 PM   #88
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Don't know where you got the idea of SGC (Saurogenic Global Cooling) but it's not anywhere in Tolkien.
I think it was jonkaminski. He's read all the extra stuff, the unfinished short stories and the stuff J.R.R.'s son wrote. For what it's worth, i could be mis-remembering.

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The Dwarves in Middle Earth are all going extinct anyway because it's the Fourth Age beginning with the destruction of the One Ring and the Fourth Age is the Age of Men. Doesn't matter if they go extinct in Erid Luin or Eribor or trying to dig the last deposits of mithril from the lower levels of Moria, they are all going to eventually die out.
See, this is the kind of determinism that annoys people. I recall Ian posting way upthread about how Tolken hints about the future and blows open the fourth wall. That style of story-telling reminds me of why some people hate time-travel fiction.

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Tolkien didn't hint at the future. He gave an epilogue of each of the characters up until their deaths or departures from Middle Earth, whichever. Frodo, at the end of RotK, is shown leaving the Shire several years after Bilbo, Galadriel, Celeborn, and Gandalf had passed through, IIRC. Pippin becomes Thane, Merry become Lord of Buckland, Sam marries Rosie Cotton, has lots of kids, becomes Mayor of Hobbiton, eventually all three leave to take ship to the West. Faramir marries Eowyn. Eomer reigns for many years, often leads the Rohirrim along side the forces of Gondor in defeating the lands once under the sway of Sauron, at his death a new row is begun in the arrangement of barrows beside the road leading to Edoras. (Wait...did they even show the barrows of the kings in The Two Towers? Barrows, burial mounds of the kings, in rows, one on each side of the road, each being a dynasty. Forget how many in each, but Theoden would have been the last of his dynasty so his barrow, in F.A. 1, was the last in his row and they started another row with Eomer.) Aragorn ruled Gondor for well over a century before he passed away. Arwen died not long after. Eventually Gimli and Legolas took ship to the West. That's a postscript, not a "glimpse into the future".


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Mo, I you, but you trying to argue Tolkein lore is just vaguely amusing.
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