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LOST Theories So you think you know some secrets of the island? Maybe you can explain everything. If it's original and you can back it up, we'd love to hear it.

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Old 03-06-06, 10:22 PM   #21
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

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From the logistics of JP. Farmer's Riverworld
a) Arcturus: This is the planet of origin of the civilization that setup the Wathan collector on Earth.

b) The nature of a Wathan: It's a magnetic-plasmatic receptacle of individuality (aka "soul"). It can be infused into empty shells (=bodies) in a process called "translation".




Lace, do you think this means that the Island and/or Hanso/Apollo and/or Smokie is some kind of 'collector of souls'..?

Could this help to explain why those particular losties got attracted/manipulated on to the Island?

Does the soul collector need certain types? And for what - to help create some kind of all-powerful, fully rounded, mutliple-souled being?


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Old 03-06-06, 11:20 PM   #22
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

Hi Mav

Another approach, into the religious and the occult: "The Well of Souls"

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Well of Souls can mean several things:

- The Well of Souls (Hebrew :אבן השתייה, Arabic:Bir el- Arweh) is a subterranean chamber beneath the Dome of the Rock in the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. The chamber located beneath the rock is known to Jews as Eben haShetiyyah and to Muslims as Sakhrah. Members of these faiths believe it to be the place where God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son: Isaac in the Judeo-Christian tradition, and Ishmael in the Muslim tradition.


A less frequently cited tradition holds that the cave is located atop the Abyss of Chaos and it is the Rivers of Paradise which can be heard below.

- The film Raiders of the Lost Ark depicted the Well of Souls as the hiding place of the Ark of the Covenant, but placed it as a lost chamber in the lost city of Tanis in Egypt (filmed in Tunisia) instead of a cave in the Temple Mount. This loosely agrees with legends that the Ark of the Covenant and other Temple artifacts were hidden somewhere beneath the Temple Mount at the time of the destruction of the first temple.


- Also known as the "guff", it as a place in Judeao-Christian mythology in which the souls of those-yet-to-be-born are stored, as portrayed in the movie The Seventh Sign.

- The online game Well of Souls by Dan Samuel and the "Well of Souls" gaming community,

- The supercomputer called The Well of Souls in The Well World science fiction book series by Jack L. Chalker --> Intriguing
It seems the Wathan collector has its source in the judeochristian tradition.
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

The Well of souls series by Jack L. CHalker uses a similar premise:

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The Well of Souls series
Midnight at the Well of Souls, Del Rey, 1977 (ISBN 0743435222) 
Exiles at the Well of Souls, Del Rey, 1978 (ISBN 0743436032) 
Quest for the Well of Souls, Del Rey, 1978 
The Return of Nathan Brazil, Del Rey, 1980 (ISBN 0345283678) 
Twilight at the Well of Souls, Del Rey, 1980 (ISBN 0345283686) 
The Sea is Full of Stars, December, 1999 
Ghost of the Well of Souls, 2000 

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

It was constructed by an ancient alien species known as the Markovians 
who predated the existence of the current Universe. They were the first 
and only intelligent species to arise in the original universe and developed 
immense levels of technology that allowed them to manipulate reality on a 
basic level. They constructed layers of machinery miles beneath the 
surfaces of their colony worlds that responded to telepathic commands in 
a manner very similar to the Krell Machine in Forbidden Planet. 
Their localized omnipotence went better for them than it did the Krell, 
but eventually the Markovians developed a sense of ennui and 
incompleteness that they were unable to fully understand, let alone develop 
a solution for. The Well World was eventually constructed as a means of 
trying to overcome whatever flaw in themselves was stopping them.


The Well World is a computer roughly the size of Earth with a crust 
of normal rock, water and air over the surface making it resemble a normal 
planet. The computer is responsible for "simulating" an entire new universe 
superimposed over the old Markovian one. The surface is divided up into 
large hexagonal regions each with an independent and often dramatically 
different climate, native to a new species of intelligent life that the 
Markovians designed. The southern hemisphere was devoted to relatively 
Terrestrial environments with oxygen-containing atmospheres and the 
northern hemisphere was devoted to more exotic and variable environments 
(often with non-carbon biology), with an enormous wall at the equator 
keeping them separate.


The Markovians travelled en masse to the Well World, used the computer 
(called the Well of Souls) to translate themselves into members of 
the various species living on it, and then after residing in that species' 
"hex"  until the species' viability had been confirmed they would be 
teleported out to colonize an appropriate planet in the new universe. 
In this manner the Markovians started their technological and social 
development over from scratch, this time using thousands of different 
approaches in the hopes that once they achieved their old level of 
technology again one of their child species would know what to do 
with it. Humanity was one such created species.


The Markovians have all passed through the Well in this manner 
(with one or two possible exceptions) but the ancient Markovian colony 
worlds scattered throughout the new universe still sometimes had 
functional teleportation machinery that would inadvertently snare individuals 
and send them to the Well World. These individuals would be automatically 
transformed into randomly selected species on the well just like the 
Markovians were, but without Markovians running the operation new species 
were no longer being created or sent out to other planets.


In later books a human scientist named Zinder developed a technology 
that allowed a human-built AI named Obie to remotely interface with 
the Well of Souls and change local regions of reality without initially 
realizing that this is how the reality-manipulations were being done. 
Zinder and Obie were ultimately lost but human governments later 
reconstructed part of his research and developed the Zinder Nullifier, a 
weapon that simply "blanked" the region of space it was targeted at. 
The Nullifiers were a vital weapon in winning a war of species survival 
against extragalactic invaders, but when a Nullifier was accidentally 
used to erase itself from existence it caused an unrecoverable error 
in the Well of Soul's programming. An expanding region of the universe 
began going blank and the Well of Souls ultimately had to be rebooted 
to prevent it from being irreversibly damaged, causing the Universe 
to end and be recreated.


Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_World"
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

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......and you've got the nerve to tell yung his threads are BS.

No Mav, I didn't.
I never have and never will label any theory as BS because I truly don't see them that way. Unlike many here, I usually completely ignore theories with which I don't agree. If I do reply to one, I do so with respect, or at least in a civil manner.

I just don't like seeing old theories rewrapped and offered as new gifts.

Like Homer says, it's a duplicate thread. I'm not bothered by duplicate threads when presented by new posters but that's not the case here.

eta: The mods should merge this with Yung's earlier posts on the same subject theory.

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Old 03-06-06, 11:58 PM   #25
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

no they shouldn't.

so is this the new thing to rant about ?

Sarahr got rid of the webmaze stuff, and the thread lacked my input and creative ideas anymore...

so I stayed away till I had more to go on.

this is pure spite.(as is TWO stars, when this one thread answers more than ANY other thread)

this thread is new and has brand new ideas, read the thing instead of complaing about it.

we allow much less here, I merged Sarahrs old thread with my bannished QH thread. so how is it a duplicate ?

it's the same problems from the same few who had the other one banished on the basis it was from the WB.


this is merely your new rant.

it is not a duplicate thread, I know the difference.
my beginning remains the same because it works, as did the QH ideas.

all you few do is come in to alter the course and disrupt the flow, just like before.

had anyone else posted anything on homoplasmate, things would be different.

eta, ( "spitefull" is only name calling if you are indeed, spitefull )
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

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it's the same problems from the same spitefull few who had the other one banished on the basis it was from the WB.

this is merely your new rant.
Chill, Yung. I didn't even know that your original thread had been "banished" anywhere.
I don't know what WB is, maybe webmaze?

If so, I don't know or care if this is webmaze. You seem to be the one bothered by that label. Regardless, it's an update or revision to your previous theory. You use many of the same graphics, links, assumptions, and terminology. Merges are frequently done on threads with far more tenuous associations. If I've a rant, it's that your posts should be merged or moved using the same criteria as everyone else's.

eta: no name calling, please.

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If my opinion counts, just delete the previous threads if you got the power or move them to the archives, that will make the newest thread the ONLY thread.
Act like the Ministry For Truth from 1984.
I second it.
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

it all has been merged, into this thread.
there is no other thread anymore.
I have closed it and it is now on its way to the archives.

they will still find something to rant about though.
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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

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No Mav, I didn't.
I never have and never will label any theory as BS because I truly don't see them that way. Unlike many here, I usually completely ignore theories with which I don't agree.
unless its one of yung's.

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If I do reply to one, I do so with respect, or at least in a civil manner.
except when its one of yung's.

Quote:
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I just don't like seeing old theories rewrapped and offered as new gifts.
there is a lot of new stuff, read it, compare it. Because you obviously haven't bothered to yet.

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Like Homer says, it's a duplicate thread.
what, and the fact that Homer says it is a duplicate, makes it de facto? He said "IMO", not "IT IS". Don't misquote the big guns, just to give weight to your flimsy case.

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eta: The mods should merge this with Yung's earlier posts on the same subject theory.
or, the mods should be left to get on with their job, without wannabe mods sticking their oar in and making life more difficult.

Lostmio, I really don't want to fight with you. Clearly we will always disagree on all things yung. But seriously, just take a look back over some of your posts to yung, now, and in the past. And ask yourself why. I'm asking you why.

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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

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they will still find something to rant about though.
Yes, we are the OTHERS...
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