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Old 05-20-17, 04:31 AM   #51
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

True. It takes more than, *cough*, a five-minute talk to figure out what is needed.

I know that that sister would be in jail, or dead, or something, without her meds.
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Old 05-20-17, 03:37 PM   #52
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Chris Cornell’s family believes prescription drugs may have caused his death

Chris Cornell’s family is disputing the findings of the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office, which ruled that the Soundgarden frontman died from suicide by hanging. Lawyers for the family issued a statement Friday morning that read, “The family believes that if Chris took his life, he did not know what he was doing, and that drugs or other substances may have affected his actions.”

According to the statement, the family believes the prescription anti-anxiety drug Ativan may have had some role in Cornell’s death. “Some medical literature indicates that Ativan can cause paranoid or suicidal thoughts, slurred speech and impaired judgment,” the statement read. Cornell’s widow, Vicky, echoed this theory in her own statement, saying that the singer had acted normally earlier in the week but seemed different when she spoke to him Wednesday.

“When we spoke after the show, I noticed he was slurring his words,” her statement read. “When he told me he may have taken an extra Ativan or two, I contacted security and asked that they check on him. What happened is inexplicable and I am hopeful that further medical reports will provide additional details. I know that he loved our children and he would not hurt them by intentionally taking his own life.”
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Old 05-20-17, 05:33 PM   #53
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Not even an hour ago - phone call from what I am terming "the thing". Cruel, yes, I know. Mean, awful, inhuman even.

I can't stand it. In a fit of despair, I call SIL. SIL says her medication got changed and new meds are doing it no good.

Whatever. Why they changed her meds? I don't know. But she is crazier than ever now.

I am awful.
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Old 05-21-17, 05:11 AM   #54
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I believe it. I felt all of those things when I was on Zoloft, for exactly one month or so. Blood pressure and weird poundings in both ears, could hear the blood rushing. Strange up and down moods. Zero libido. Weird night sweats. All from one of the STARTING doses.

Does that mean it does less harm to someone who takes it and feels no effects? I don't think that's necessarily the case. Drugs may effect us differently in small symptoms, but I think the overall negative effects will be throughout everyone. It's crazy stuff.
How these drugs affect someone depends on numerous factors. The individual's environment, his/her health status, his/her psychological profile, age, gender, and so forth.
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

Styydy, welcome to our forum! Nice first post! The second one's not bad either.

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Mattie (and anybody else who might be interested),
Atavan (lorazepam) is a benzodiazepine, a type of drug most often prescribed for anxiety. Other popular drugs in the family include Valium (diazepam), Klonopin (clonazepam), and Xanax (alprazolam). This family of drugs can produce significant euphoria when not taken for anxiety. They also synergize very powerfully with both opioids and alcohol, and alcohol/benzo synergy in particular can easily be fatal. Benzos are also habit-forming and even addictive, although when taken properly, the rate of these problems drops to virtual obscurity. The withdrawal from benzodiazepines can be extreme as well, and it is one of the few families of drugs whose withdrawals can actually be fatal. Ativan in particular is very dangerous in withdrawal, because its half-life is exceptionally short
I wasn't sure if it he would've wanted or not for me to say so in public, but to the best of my knowledge yung has been clean for quite a long time.

gertie,

I strongly advise that you follow vonne's advice and seek some therapy. Many if not most social workers are well-versed in being able to tell if and when someone needs a referral to a psychologist or psychiatrist, and social workers are also not likely getting kickbacks for those referrals.

To those who might be interested:

Seeing a therapist first before going straight to a person with a prescription pad is generally a good idea, and can usually be done for free, even without insurance. If you're interested, and not sure how to start, please feel free to PM me, and include your zip code, and i'll see what I can find available in your area.
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

So, I have similar thoughts and feelings about meds as many of you, but what do I DO, practically speaking? What are the alternatives? We can talk all we want about how much we hate Big Pharma, but in the end what does a person do if they have (or their child has) strong thoughts about taking their life and that med is the only thing that quiets those thoughts/feelings?

My situation is a little bit unique, because my daughter has compound issues. She is autistic, and one of the "things" about autism is that the person has a tendency to get stuck on things; an idea, a subject, a taste, an emotion....and it's just one track minded on whatever is in their brain until they move on to something else (some things persist as a theme over long periods, some do not). So, with that in mind, how much of her being "stuck" on the idea of suicide, or the idea that she's worthless (or whatever else) is depression, and how much is her autistic brain just getting stuck on something? Does it matter really? How do I even begin to figure it all out?

How do I, in good conscience, say no to a med that might be keeping her alive? At the same time, how do I, in good conscience, say yes to a med that may be screwing up her brain even more and may possibly be causing permanent damage?

I like her doctors, but I don't ever 100% trust any of them. This is partly because of the bonuses for pushing meds thing and partly because they are humans who can make mistakes and in the end they are all largely guessing.

It just feels like it's impossible to know what the right decision is.
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So, I have similar thoughts and feelings about meds as many of you, but what do I DO, practically speaking? What are the alternatives? We can talk all we want about how much we hate Big Pharma, but in the end what does a person do if they have (or their child has) strong thoughts about taking their life and that med is the only thing that quiets those thoughts/feelings?

My situation is a little bit unique, because my daughter has compound issues. She is autistic, and one of the "things" about autism is that the person has a tendency to get stuck on things; an idea, a subject, a taste, an emotion....and it's just one track minded on whatever is in their brain until they move on to something else (some things persist as a theme over long periods, some do not). So, with that in mind, how much of her being "stuck" on the idea of suicide, or the idea that she's worthless (or whatever else) is depression, and how much is her autistic brain just getting stuck on something? Does it matter really? How do I even begin to figure it all out?

How do I, in good conscience, say no to a med that might be keeping her alive? At the same time, how do I, in good conscience, say yes to a med that may be screwing up her brain even more and may possibly be causing permanent damage?

I like her doctors, but I don't ever 100% trust any of them. This is partly because of the bonuses for pushing meds thing and partly because they are humans who can make mistakes and in the end they are all largely guessing.

It just feels like it's impossible to know what the right decision is.
You do what you're already doing-- you monitor the meds. You watch. You listen.

The issue with meds is that some people don't need them or don't get good results.

If she needs them, and is getting good results, this is a GOOD thing. That's why we have these meds in the first place.

But, also do talk-therapy. Find a good therapist that your daughter likes. Don't be afraid to switch therapists until that right match happens. Have as an end goal "not needing the meds and being happy in life." Get at those feelings of worthlessness / sadness , etc.

Express clearly to the doctor (once you find the doctor you like and can begin to trust) that "not needing the meds" IS the ultimate goal, and while it might not happen tomorrow, you want to work towards that. Find one that understands your concern of "is this brain chemistry, or is it the autism?"

It's really f-ing hard and painful and overwhelming. I'm sorry.
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Those are great points, Kelly.

There is a considerable amount of autism in my extended family, though only a couple fairly mild cases in my blood family. My step-brother in particular registers very high on the scale and can be extremely difficult to deal with. His physical strength when he goes manic is especially surprising; he's a small man but he can do amazing amounts of damage when he becomes highly disturbed.

In my experiences, the benefits of talk therapy for more severe autism can be frustratingly slow, but the benefits provided by it can't be reached in other ways.

Liz, that's a very convoluted, if not unique, set of difficulties for that young lady. As a parent, I can only imagine how scary, frustrating, and exhausting it must be to search for better answers, and to try to provide her with the best quality of life possible at the same time. What bitter pills, no puns intended. You and she have my sincere sympathy.
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