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Old 04-06-17, 01:36 AM   #11
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

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My heart goes out to you Liz. This last two months have been dealing with a young mother in the family who has a few children. I wont go into the details but essentially it's been a battle to help support her and to get her to listen to advice. Getting her to sleep and care for herself was the main issue, now it's slowly trying to get her to get treatment - but we are in bind as to the extent of which, and how that should occur. I really feel for what you said about indecision and worrying about the right thing and path to take, it's something that effects everyone involved and is sometimes very difficult to talk about - particularly with people closest to you.

If I may just give you some of my own experiences I hope it helps.

I looked after my father for a long time as his care giver. And I dealt with many individuals who had to be cared for physically and mentally. Requiring care is a difficult and taxing challenge for both parties. Before dad passed on his mental health deteriorated for several months and it was the most taxing time of my life but I'm glad I was there to the end. Dealing with it also had very ominous feelings and was fraught with indecision and worry, but showing compassion and love and patience was the main thing and also understanding that I was dealing with a condition that was both physical and mental and that it is something which you don't choose to be, it 'effects' you and your behavior.

Several years ago I suffered from depression and anxiety when my daughter went to Australia to live and dad had just become a paraplegic. The weird thing is I didn't feel depressed or worried - I don't 'feel' afraid on a conscious level but subconsciously I felt it and it affected my sleeping habits as anxiety to the extent that I thought I was dying of a physical illness and wouldn't wake up. People often don't tell others about such concerns, they try to pass it off and get over it. Eventually I went to the doctors expecting the worst and maybe get some sleeping pills, she took one look at me and asked me what I did, and just said that I was middling overweight, probably high in cholesterol, depressed and suffering from lack of exercise and good breathing habits.

I had a heart reading down stairs and... nothing wrong with me. I immediately felt better and went to a weekly visit to a well being specialist for five weeks. Though I still sometimes feel anxious I try not to worry about it and reflect that it is a physical condition as well as a mental one that requires, if anything, treatment, prognoses and recognition. But the hardest thing sometimes was just listening to someone and talking about 'actual' issues in regards to myself.

Anyway, I hope some of this was useful. All the best.
Thank you so much for your input, jay. It is really helpful to hear all of these experiences from everyone. It makes me feel a lot less alone in what we're dealing with.
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Old 04-06-17, 01:47 AM   #12
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...With that said, drugs help a lot of people, including a lot of people i care about rather deeply...
Yeah, me too. I know that pharm drugs are a lifeline to many people, so I am definitely not trying to talk down about taking them. I am just...wary and cautious.

That is some interesting stuff about your grandfather. The pharm, health, and food industries have become pure money grabs, with little to no care about the consumer's well-being. It gives us all a LOT to sort out for ourselves.

ETA: I am looking forward to hearing more from you, Mo!
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Old 04-10-17, 01:35 AM   #13
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Went to the park yesterday. They had an easter egg hunt, and I saw a bunny costumed person.

Something terribly heartwarming in seeing a bunny costumed person jumping around. Need more moments like this.
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

The best man at my wedding has been my best friend for 32 years this coming summer.

Shortly after i returned to NYS in late '08, he started working at a wastewater treatment facility. He would frequently (on average 3-4 times per week) be required to suit up and physically insert himself into piles of filth that test the imagination, with plenty of used tampons, condoms, and needles, freaking EVERYWHERE.

He got lucky. Never did a needle, nor anything else, break his suit.

But there was something seeping through his suit. A polymer. It had unpredictable results.

One testicle got wedged so deeply that it was visible, after he lost 150 lbs, just under his bottom left rib. The other one was right in front of his appendix.

The doctors told him he had some kind of unknown poisoning, that he needed strict dietary guidelines, and they had no idea what it was but they were pretty sure that if he followed their advice, he'd be okay eventually. The union told him to be happy with full-time disability pay and to shut the F*** up about how much it was f***ing him up.

Meanwhile, the only way he could get ANY sleep was to smoke some crack.

I'm not even kidding, you guys. This was a guy who loved weed and would drink on occasion but never indulged in hard drugs. He tried them, just like me, when we were a lot younger, and didn't care for them.

But his manic episodes led his doctors to decree that he was ADHD, and the speed they gave him was keeping him awake like Adoph Hitler. The neural blowout of a crack hit was the only thing that put him over the edge.

Imagine the damage to his cardiovascular system.

But anyway...

Turns out it was something that's neither a mental disorder nor a problem EVER diagnosed, even incorrectly, by any doctor in the US: endocrine disruption!

My best friend spent years in Hell because US doctors were under indirect pressure from US economists.

It only bears upon this thread because the doctors in the US tried REALLY REALLY HARD to make it a mental health problem, they tried everything from Thorazine (not kidding) to Ritalin & Adderall cocktails. Lithium, Seroquil, and adding in all the benzodiazepines.... Potentially lethal cocktails at several times before he did his own research on the internet and found out it was endocrine disruption.
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I'm sorry for your friend Mo, that is truly awful. i wonder at the bureaucracy that exists in our medical society at times and if it's as necessary as it claims to be, and if we couldn't learn more from alternative cultures.
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

He found answers in Germany. I'm not sure i'd exactly call that alternative culture. Sure, there are cultural differences, like for instance the medical establishment there isn't being paid off to pretend that polymer exposure can't cause endocrine disruption. In fact, the medical community over there even has their own symbol for endocrine disruption, sorta reminiscent of the Biohazard symbol. Folks over there have to walk past signs that have that symbol before they can enter an area where they might be exposed to substances that can cause endocrine disruption, and they're supposed to wear protective gear that's considerably more expensive than US standards for wastewater treatment facilities.

Oh, and the union is working with management on this issue... in the US at least.

ETA: I didn't really get into details of the manic episodes, which would be much more in line with the theme of the thread. I'm not trying to start a political discussion, although i think mental health in the US is a political issue, and it ties directly into criminalization & the prison industry (best growth industry in our hemisphere), drug law reform, and a lot of other issues that are very close to my heart.
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In light of the news about Chris Cornell's death:

Please, if you are struggling, or know anyone who is struggling, with suicidal thoughts or ideation, please, please, call the National Suicide Prevention helpline -- 1-800-273-TALK (8255).
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Do not put your children on any medications, not even for ADHD. They literally do not know what they are doing in regards to the brain, and never have. It's about having things to sell. Don't do it. Not worth the risks, IMO.
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Jesus Christ! Mo, all of those different drugs and regimens your friend was put through clearly exasperated any true underlying issue with brain circuitry and undoubtedly played a very real in his episodes. Unbelievable that that is even legal - seriously.

Just read today that patients taking a popular Diabetes drug in the US have double the chance of arm or leg amputations. The maker is disputing putting a warning on the bottle or anywhere associated with the drug. A warning! They aren't even pulling it.

And that type of shit happens literally all the time. "Unknown" side effects many years after people are reliant and taking it. And you'll let them put your kids on Ritalin or Adderall etc? It's so startling to me, lol.
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Re: Mental Health (ASD, Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, etc.)

Well, it's difficult. I mostly agree with you about pharmaceuticals, and I am very skeptical of them. Both of my daughters were prescribed Adderall for ADHD a few years back, and I opted out of giving to them for the same reasons. I did a lot of research and found that a combination of caffeine (8 hr time release so no crash at school) and L-theanine was effective for them, at least to make their attention issues tolerable. They are still not excelling grade-wise but that's okay for me. It's been a happy medium for them for the most part and I feel good about avoiding the meds.

When this whole suicidal thing sprang up with my youngest, though, I caved in to giving her meds. I just felt like avoiding her taking her own life had to take priority over however I felt about pills. She takes 10mg of Lexapro (for depression) and it REALLY helps her handle her emotions enough to be logical without making her a zombie or dulling her spirit. I don't love the idea and I hope to eventually wean her off of it, but along with therapy it has really leveled her out. She still has issues and her doctor has mentioned upping her dosage, but I have declined. I think this is a good middle point where she is still herself but she copes with negative thoughts and situations in a good way.

When she was in the hospital the second time, she was taking 20mg of Lexapro there and the doctor on site wanted to give her Abilify to "boost" the Lexapro. I told her I had to look into it first. I looked it up and although this is a common practice, Abilify (a med for bipolar) can have permanent neurological side effects (muscle tics, etc), even after 1 dose. I told her no thank you. We didn't even know what was causing all of this to pop up or what was going on with her yet, and we had no diagnosis or anything. I am really glad that I waited and didn't listen to that doctor, as she didn't even need that med and the risks involved would definitely have not been worth it.

I think that we all should be VERY skeptical of medications and really do what we can to avoid them. However, I think that in some situations they are sort of a necessary evil to make life livable.
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