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Old 09-17-12, 05:01 PM   #11
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

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Medieval jokes.

I'm not sure how I feel about medieval jokes. Particularly ones about Richard the Great III (the original RGIII).
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

There are surprisingly few good Tudor and/or Medieval jokes out there.
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Old 09-17-12, 05:48 PM   #13
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

The Tudors are a joke.


9mile, the royal family now running around naked in the UK changed their name to Windsor during WWI because everyone hated the Germans. Their original House name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha because of Prince Albert, a German prince who married Queen Victoria (their family spoke German amongst themselves). But even before that, the crown went to the House of Hanover, a German branch of the royal family (Mad King George III was a Hanoverian), when the Stuart line pooped out.

The Stuarts had taken over after the Tudor line pooped out (Mary Queen of Scots was Henry VII's granddaughter and her son James got the crown). There would not have been all this out-poopage had the Tudors not shot Richard III in the back. The York line was robust.

I guess one good thing is that we did get 'Prince Albert in the can' jokes. I keep an old Prince Albert tobacco can in my kitchen, where my refrigerator is currently not running.

Also, Wikipedia notes:

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Upon hearing that his cousin had changed the name of the British royal house to Windsor, German Emperor Wilhelm II remarked jokingly that he planned to see Shakespeare's play "The Merry Wives of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha",[2] a play on the actual title of Shakespeare's work The Merry Wives of Windsor.
That Wilhelm. Always mit der jokes.
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Old 09-17-12, 07:50 PM   #14
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

Oh I did play that game a few times in my younger day.
Ring ring, you got any PA in a can?
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Well, then let the poor bugger out.

Thanks for the mini history lesson. I think that I will need a flow chart to really understand it though.

BTW, slight thread jack.....
I made a family flow chart with facial photos that I copied. It was very interesting and everyone knew who exactly was who and how they got here/there.

ETA: I made it for a family reunion so all the extended cousins and cousins kids and in-laws knew the line=up
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Old 09-17-12, 08:56 PM   #15
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Good to know there is a GoT historical reference. I've been wondering about that and will sleep better now.


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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

As they say, "there's nothing new under the sun" and mostly just plagiarized.
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

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The York line was robust.
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

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I made a family flow chart with facial photos that I copied. It was very interesting and everyone knew who exactly was who and how they got here/there.

ETA: I made it for a family reunion so all the extended cousins and cousins kids and in-laws knew the line=up
That's a great idea, 9mile. Could you see family traits among the photos, or even where a trait might have started (everyone had great-aunt Daisy's nose)? My grandfather, aunt, and one daughter all walk the same way. Also, if you look at the portraits of Edward IV and Richard III (who were bros), they seem to have the same chin (apparently their mother's since Edward may have actually been a bastard ).

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I like that one a lot, Warty. Others [Sleep tight, silver] include:

- Allusions in the play "Richard III" and GoT to a mother raking her nails down her cheeks and drawing blood;

- Richard III had a loyal henchman named Tyrell

- Edward "Baratheon" IV was a big, valiant warrior who married a beautiful woman with long blonde hair whose family was hated. She was seen as a schemer. His children were later believed to be illegitimate.

These are inspirations, not plagiarism, imo, Bill. Betrayal and gruesome deaths never get old.
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

The thing about plagiarism in this regard is that the themes that find themselves
playing out in something like the War of the Roses are universal. It's hard to make
something like GoT... or Star Wars... or anything like that without coming off as having
some sense of seeing a story that has already been told before in both
fiction and real life.

We often look at the copies of Shakespearian themes that crop up, but in reality
even Shakespeare was copying some universal themes that have shown up time
and time again in history.
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Re: Richard III and Other Passions

I agree, plagiarism is too strong a term, and I actually don't agree with"there's nothing new under the sun". I remember seeing the Matrix the first time, and that whole perspective / perception shift was something new (at least for me). Fiction Creativity always leaves avenues open to something new.
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