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Old 06-14-17, 03:10 AM   #1
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Warty's Sandman FR - Dream Hunters

She came into my dreams and made me read it.



The "graphic" portion seems to be a big part of my first experience in this arena. The craftsmanship of the story will become evident with time, but the craftsmanship of the graphic is evident immediately.

Writers in the so-called traditional literary format spend countless words setting the scene, but here in the graphic world that burden is lifted. I didn't think about this before I experienced it. It seems to result in every word of the writer being story instead of creating the environment for the reader.

I will probably take more time than some other readers, as I like to savor the moment. I am only a few pages in and I have already flipped back and revisualized what is going on.

One thing is that it seems I should have some knowledge of this universe that I do not have. I am not sure I clearly understand the motivation of Dr. Hathaway, but maybe that will come.

I see one of those things Sandman has! There's history right there! Now... onto seeing if death can be summoned.


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Old 06-14-17, 04:23 AM   #2
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Re: Warty's Sandman FR

"Dream" looks like the bastard child of Admiral Akbar and Batman.


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"Dream" looks like the bastard child of Admiral Akbar and Batman.


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Re: Warty's Sandman FR

Normally I would rush people, but for this...

DO take your time.

Flip back and re-read pages you just read.

Look again at each panel.

It's worth that.
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One thing is that it seems I should have some knowledge of this universe that I do not have. I am not sure I clearly understand the motivation of Dr. Hathaway, but maybe that will come.
Yes and no.

P&N does have some other-comic-tie-ins. But, I never read any of those other comics, and I got along just fine with the story.
(and, attempts at tie-ins end after P&N)

As far as Hathaway, no, you aren't supposed to already know anything about him, or about Burgess (guy he came to see). Just let it happen.
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Re: Warty's Sandman FR

For when you finish with the first issue/episode of P&N:

Spoiler: Sleep of the Just

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So, looking through P&N again.

Chapter 1, "Sleep of the Just," which covers Morpheus's imprisonment by Burgess and son-- I love that the chapter begins with "Wake up, sir. We're here." and ends with "We're here. It's alright. So wake up. Please wake up. Please...?"

Gaiman does shit like that on purpose.

Things I'd forgotten / hadn't noticed:

When Burgess and Alex are talking about the Endless, and Burgess says "Desire?" in the panel, Sykes is looking at a picture of Ethel, who he later has an affair and runs away with. Just a neat detail I hadn't noticed before.

All of the Unity Kinkaid stuff is great. "She dreams of a tall, dark man. His eyes burn like twin stars in her head." The "I dreamed I had a baby" panel

I love how the summoning ceremony itself is hokey as shit but somehow cool. "A stick that I stuck through a dead man's eye"

I enjoy Morpheus's running commentary of captivity more now. The first time I read, it took me a minute to even figure out what was up with the black-box-white-text. "Watch my captor grow old and die. No satisfaction. Still here. Waiting."

In Alex's dream, a black cat turns into Morpheus. Had forgotten that. Made me smile.

And, Morpheus's revenge on Alex, Eternal Waking. First taste of what a dick Morpheus can be when you piss him off.
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Normally I would rush people, but for this...

DO take your time.

Flip back and re-read pages you just read.

Look again at each panel.

It's worth that.


Yeah looking at the panels closely is a big part of what I am doing. There seems to be information or important detail buried in the artwork. It seems it may be more than just pure illustration as part of the story is hiding in there.


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Re: Warty's Sandman FR

So many details.
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Re: Warty's Sandman FR

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The "graphic" portion seems to be a big part of my first experience in this arena. The craftsmanship of the story will become evident with time, but the craftsmanship of the graphic is evident immediately.

Writers in the so-called traditional literary format spend countless words setting the scene, but here in the graphic world that burden is lifted. I didn't think about this before I experienced it. It seems to result in every word of the writer being story instead of creating the environment for the reader.
There are really only very few "comic books" that are able to take advantage of this. Sandman itself doesn't always take full advantage itself. I've read a lot of the storyboards, and it can be astounding how detailed and demanding Gaiman is of his artists, but then on other panels the contrast couldn't be sharper, where he gives the artist almost complete license to create anything they think wold be suitable for the given dialogue.

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I will probably take more time than some other readers, as I like to savor the moment. I am only a few pages in and I have already flipped back and revisualized what is going on.
I advise this wholeheartedly, especially if you're not a man who's given to re-reading. I always advise reading Sandman at least twice, because the true craftsmanship of the storytelling isn't clear until at least the second time through, no matter how detail-oriented you are. But two reads should be sufficient if they're done in such a manner.

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One thing is that it seems I should have some knowledge of this universe that I do not have. I am not sure I clearly understand the motivation of Dr. Hathaway, but maybe that will come.
You don't need to worry about that stuff. I personally think it was thrown in as added fun for the fanboys (Gaiman included), but after P&N it never matters again.

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Yeah looking at the panels closely is a big part of what I am doing. There seems to be information or important detail buried in the artwork. It seems it may be more than just pure illustration as part of the story is hiding in there.


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As you get deeper into the series, you'll notice that different artists are used for different story arcs. Be aware that that's being done on purpose.

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Welcome to the wonderful world of Sandman! It's great to have you, and i think you'll really enjoy (most of) it. (Dreams aren't always pretty, after all).
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I do not like things that are always pretty.
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