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Old 07-17-17, 06:33 PM   #101
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The contention here isnt because Arya was wearing walders face. The contention is that we dont know if arya poisoned the wine herself, or had a minion place the poison.
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That was the basis of Qyburn-Gate last season...

When the Sept blows up, Cersei was clearly behind it, but there was debate on whether or not Qyburn lit the candles (and if so, Qyburn would get the points, even though he did it for Cersei).

But, Qyburn never takes credit and it wasn't apparent that he lit the candles. It was just a theory, albeit with good evidence behind it.
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Old 07-17-17, 06:35 PM   #103
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The contention here isnt because Arya was wearing walders face. The contention is that we dont know if arya poisoned the wine herself, or had a minion place the poison.
... Minion? WTF?

You think it's rational to assume unseen, unreferenced minion with no supporting evidence or past precedent?
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That is just silly.*


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The point is that we have no evidence of a minion or a lack of minion. Without evidence either way, how can you award points?
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If someone orders a death or hires someone, the person hired gets the kill.

Like, if Tyrion tells Bronn to kill a singer, Bronn gets points.
Well, with this in mind, I need to flip flop. While it seems as though Arya might have committed the murder of the Freys oon her own, indicated by the surprised look of the females and the fact that she is shortly after being seen traveling alone, it by no means can be confirmed.

It's quite possible that Arya was able to enlist the assistance of one or more of the daughters. The whole undertaking of gathering everyone together, perfecting the look and voice of papa Frey, and poisoning the wine, all done with such precision that she went undetected and unsuspected is quite an amazing undertaking. Enough so that I wouldn't rule out the use of a collaborator until I have certain confirmation.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Fantasy League - Jon Snow Edition

As much as I DONT want her to get the points unless I can retroactively choose her for my team, I do think it's clear cut. We know she wanted the Freys dead, we heard her (as Walder) pointing out they'd helped kill a pregnant woman and the mother of 5 at the Red Wedding, and she knew the wine was poisoned (didn't let the girl drink).

What exactly did she say to the wife when it was over?
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She said: when they ask you what happened here, tell them the North remembers. Tell them that winter came for House Frey.

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I guess the issue isn't really that she planned it, it's more WHO put the poison in the wine. But clearly she was behind the mass killing.
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