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+ QH/Homoplasmates & Z2 QUANTUM NUMBERS

OPENING STATEMENT
As you read this theory, keep in mind it dates back to 2005, four to five years before season six altered the course of the show forever.
When I posted this, we had not even heard of Jacob. The others had been introduced and the monster sighted, but that was it.
The smoke monster AND the island were seemingly a HUGE complex spacetime puzzle and quantum mechanics were a very popular subject in relation to LOST theories.
This thread may have been one of theee most involved quantum mechanical attempts to solve the show and is the reason Damon Lindelof said FERMIONS on national television.

WHAT EXACTLY WAS THIS THEORY ?

Using particle accelerators or a Large Hadron Collider, Dharma solved gravity, supersymmetry and the standard model.
They then made a "custom god" using gnostic information gleamed from the Grand Unified Theory experiments,
in a way... knowing the mind of god...

I have always called this god Apollo, based on the evidence from things like Swan hatches, chocolait bars, murals, and caduceus staffs..

This theory was always based on Phillip K Dicks novel VALIS, where he speaks of an Apollo character and Hologrammetric space*

The novel was much later seen in the show, in TWO episodes my Apollo/VALIS speculation was COMPLETELY accurate. let me say that again seeing so many had an issue with the idea. my Apollo/VALIS speculation was COMPLETELY accurate. (ohhh, that feels gooood)

My intrigue with the novel began with PKD's labelling of a being composed of gnostic information and man.

He called this false god a HOMOPLASMATE, and this thread was born.
I thought the term was PERFECT for illustrating my theory about smokey (A form of PLASMA) and the Apollo/ Man figure I had long speculated was involved.

Many asked when or if we would ever meet this Apollo, and in "the man behind the curtain", we did. Jacob is the Apollo character.

I had even gotten the first encounter partially correct.
remember how Jacob was not quite "there" when Ben introduced him to John ?

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Originally Posted by yung23

06-17-2006, 06:35 PM

I get a feeling we may never find the observer (Apollo).
Apparently, He is in superpostion, but if someone does find him, the act alone may physically create him.

& This is what he may need help with.

I think Hanso explored the science behind the collasping of the waveform.. the observing act.

Jacob : "HELP ME..."

During my research with LHC's and more precisely, Lattice Quantum ChromoDynamics (LQCD/the science in the colors" of quarks)...
I learned in order to calculate the reactions at subatomic levels, a LOT of computing power is needed.
You need to be able to store the information gleamed from the collisions...
and it was my theory that smokey was in fact this storage. (see post)
it is RAM for the island

so because of Dharmas gnostic/GUT experiments, when the RAM possessed the information, it awoke and became sentient.

This was when the incident may have happened.
Either Dharma tried to shut down the Apollo experiment mid game by killing Jacobs father in the past,
or smokey itself erased him from history...

Dharma "LOST" Jacob and the others began to revolt...

and the theory still lives....

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ORIGINAL TITLE OF THREAD. Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

later edited to.. QH/Homoplasmates & Z2 QUANTUM NUMBERS
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The speculation was premature, I got terms wrong, I had no idea what the math was about..
but I always knew symmetry was important.
in my mind, it was responsible for holding the being together, like it does for the YIN & YANG.

Seeing smokey was plasma based imo, I began to look into quantum mechanics to understand what it may be.

so, since numbers were involved.. I decided to check out QUANTUM NUMBERS

but more specifically, quantum numbers for elementary particles..

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Elementary particles

Elementary particles contain many quantum numbers which are usually said to be intrinsic to them.
However, it should be understood that the elementary particles are quantum states of the standard model of particle physics, and hence the quantum numbers of these particles bear the same relation to the Hamiltonian of this model as the quantum numbers of the Bohr atom does to its Hamiltonian.
In other words, each quantum number denotes a symmetry of the problem. It is more useful in field theory to distinguish between spacetime and internal symmetries.

It is worth mentioning here a minor but often confusing point.
Most conserved quantum numbers are additive.
Thus, in an elementary particle reaction, the sum of the quantum numbers should be the same before and after the reaction. However, some, usually called a parity, are multiplicative; ie, their product is conserved.

All multiplicative quantum numbers belong to a symmetry (like parity) in which applying the symmetry transformation twice is equivalent to doing nothing. These are all examples of an abstract group called Z2.

Its most relevant use is found in Lie_superalgebra, created by Hermann Weyl... who just happens to be the inspiration of a certain group, with points positioned just as the islands main stations in the BDM. The Weyl group.

I took the numbers apart backwards, from the inside out and unravelled the Z2 pathway, it's a mess.
you have been warned, enter at your own risk.

apparently, it's quite an overwhelming math subject, and its being used these days, in Grand Unification Theories.

just as I had suspected Dharma had done..

coincidence ?

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SOME OF THE IDEAS PUT ACROSS IN THIS THREAD>.

1. I state the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 are INCREASING DIMENSIONS.
they start at 4 because that is what normal spacetime is.
WE EXIST in 4D SPACETIME.

2. I suggest our numbers are a Z2 graded group.***
this suggestion is HUGE. it automatically includes a vast range of subjects...
- QUANTUM NUMBERS
- THE COMBINING OF FERMIONIC AND BOSONIC FIELDS
- SPECIAL UNITARY GROUPS/ SU(*)
- LIE GROUPS
- LIE SUPERALGEBRAS
- WEYL
- GAUGE THEORY
- GRASSMANIAN
- CLIFFORD ALGEBRAS

I also suggested they create a... - COSMOLIGICAL CONSTANT of 108 and that 108 is also THE HIGGS BOSONs VEV
(as I formualte this post, I will search for my quotes.. )

ALL of the subjects I had researched on my own ^
starting from the "simple" idea that our numbers MAY be part of this Z2 group
CAN NOW BE FOUND IN THIS WIKI LINK An_exceptionally_simple_theory_of_everything
This SURFER DUDE theory of everything is gaining massive momentum, and wouldn't you know it...

studying the z2 grading pathway, drew me to the same conclusions and subjects.

DHARMA DEVELOPED A GUT, and the NUMBERS are part of the equation

...

now HOW the researched info applies to the TOE posted above.

and this is exactly what I have been looking at, unknowingly researching the same GUT model, all due to the NUMBERS.

they describe the fermionic field as well as the bosonic field (thus the graviton and the higgs)
and its being done starting with a four dimensional spacetime.

so our numbers are part of the solution for the standard model to incorporate a quantum theory of gravity.

Lately I've been looking closer at LOOP QUANTUM GRAVITY (LQG)
its one of the latest attempts to formulate a GUT/ TOE/ UFT...

Loop_quantum_gravity
now first off.. this "Lie superalgebra" is used to describe NON-COMMUTATIVE PROPERTIES, hence it's use in FERMIONIC FIELDS
(THEY ANTI-COMMUTE)

Non commutative geometry and loop quantum gravity may be linked, according to recent papers published by Johannes Aastrup, Jesper M. Grimstrup, Ryszard Nest, as well as Abhay Ashtekar. Should this research program succeed, Alaine Conne's Noncommutative geometry would give gravity and the standard model, with LQG providing techniques to quantize the gravity.
LQG on a noncommutative space may have the standard model, hence making it a candidate theory of everything.

so now I've found their place in Quantum Gravity
(its actually shown throughout the thread, but now I can explain it better, now that I grasp it better)

all I have to do now.. is find the LOOP in Loop Quantum Gravity.

HERE IS THE CONDENSATE LINK BTW..

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LQG and group field theory

Einstein's theory of spacetime, general relativity, describes spacetime as a continuum, whereas loop quantum gravity describes the quanta of spacetime as discrete. There is some analogy to fluids, which can often be approximated as continuous, even if they are actually made of discrete atoms.

Daniele Oriti has proposed group field theory as an approach to derive a classical, continuous spacetime from a discrete atomic manner in analogy to mechanisms found in condensed matter physics, and suggests that spin networks can undergo a condensation that is analogous to a Bose Einstein condensate as an example of a transition from discrete to continuous.

a fermionic condensate IS COMPLETELTY analogous to a BEC.

PS.. remember LOST was at first named "The Circle"

Well, Lie Groups just happen to describe circles.... (and there's THE LOOP)

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now.. my THOUGHTS on it all.

What could it all mean though ?

if typing in the numbers "saved" the world.. (i'm thinking, like a file)

and our numbers may be some special z2 graded group, which are now being used to describe SUSY in GUT's...

it may mean, the numbers themselves create the universe which the island is hidden within,
computing away using the singularity as a means for entropy and bits for the computation..
throwing the island into a cyclic group/ permutation sequence, repeating time until the solution to the whole is found..
using Jacob as the "Maxwellian Demon", the user of the island system (see above)

when missed, the island decoheres out of this island pocket.. gets found..
and loops again physically by moving into the past, where the numbers may be recovered,
and the cycle may continue to find the solution..

some of our losties will stay behind.
ie : LOCKE

otherwise, there was no point in having them arrive at all...

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This thread is rampant with information regarding the topics pertaining to the overall theory..
covering subjects such as...

APOLLO
GNOSTISM
ASCENSIONS
THE QUANTUM AWAKENING
THE QUANTUM MIND/ CONSCIOUSNESS
THE "QUANTUM HOLOGRAM" a term which should gain meaning as LOST continues
THE HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE THE HOLOGRAPHIC PRINCIPLE
QUANTUM GRAVITY
QUANTUM GEOMETRY THE BERMUDA TRIANGLES
VILE VORTICES
LEYLINES
WORLDLINES
PLANETARY GRIDS
ARCTURUS
THE VACUUM COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT
LAMBDA = 108
ZERO POINT FIELD
GROUND STATE
VIRTUAL PARTICLES
QUANTUM FLUCTUATIONS
CASIMIR EFFECT
AMRMHD
PLASMA
HANNES ALFVEN
MHD
cosmic jets cosmic rays
gamma rays BLACK HOLES
event horizon
volume & surface area
CONFORMAL FIELD THEORY
ORBIFOLDS
CONIFOLD TRANSITIONS A GRILLED CHEESE SPACETIME SANDWICH
...THE STATIONS ....THE TETRAHEDRON
wedges
spacetime cones PARTICLE PHYSICS
ELEMENTARY PARTICLES
QUANTUM NUMBERS
SPIN
SYMMETRY
SUPERSYMMETRY FERMIONS & BOSONS
FERMIONIC FIELDS
BOSONIC FIELDS
z2 graded fields..
z2 group

LINEAR ALGEBRA
DIFFERENTIAL GEOMETRY

LIE SUPERALGEBRA
LIE ALGEBRAS
LIE GROUPS
GROUP THEORY
SET THEORY : "God's mathematics, which we should leave for God to do."
WEYL

GAUGE THEORY
QUANTUM FIELD THEORY
CONFORMAL FIELD THEORY

CDT
CAUSAL SETS

MAXWELL
QUATERNIONS
OCTONIONS
SEDENIONS

HIGHER DIMENSIONAL SPACE
THE SEAL OF SOLOMON..

SPIN GROUPS
SPIN FOAMS
SPIN NETWORKS
FEYNMAN DIAGRAMS

SUPERFLUIDS
MODULI SPACE
MODULUS
MODULAR ARITHMATIC
THE WRAP AROUND ?
ISOMORPHISMs
HOMOMORPHISM

QUANTUM GROUPS
SUPERGRAVITY
SUPERSPACE
SUPERMANIFOLDS.....

Keeper of the Quantum Computer theory
Keeper of the Fermionic Condensate theory
Keeper of the Group theory, theory
Keeper of the Tetrahedron theory
Keeper of the VALIS/HOMOPLASMATE theory
Keeper of the Lie algebra/ WEYL connection theory...
Keeper of the Jacob/APollo Maxwellian Demon theory..

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THE NAMES CONNECTIONS, which all tie into and support this thread/theory

BOONE _ Booster Neutrino Experiment
SHANNON - father of information theory
RUTHERFORD - nuclear reactor work, among others
COOPER - Cooper pairs in BCS
JIN - creator of the first fermionic condensate
TALBOT - the holographic universe
LINUS - linus pauling...

MINKOWSKY - 4D minkowsky spacetime

MY PERSONAL NOTES from TONIGHT.. its getting late and I am tired of looking at GUT info..

I have suggested the grilled cheese sandwich Juliette gave Jack was a hint toward the shape of spacetime, which has been suggested is Tetrahedral, by people such as Escher...

.... this is a slight jump to frame fields.. but I was following links from the above info.. perhaps it was Daniele Oritis link.. either way I arrived at this subject, I'll retrace my steps soon..

Frame-dragging may be illustrated most readily using the Kerr_metric, which describes the geometry of Spacetime in the vicinity of a mass M rotating with Angular_momentumJ

We may never see or hear of Aliens or Apollo.
I think its all just to plant the idea in our heads.

My head must be rocky soil. The seed never sprouted.

eta: Yung, ripping apart and reassembling what you can salvage from old pieces, no matter how much fun for you, doesn't make a comfy new quilt.

The guy whose "Ultimate Theory" (not) guy, whose posts from 4815162342.com have been pasted on every Lost fan board, has been frantically doing the same thing since TPTB dumped his polar reversal into the purgatory bin.

If you do this one more time I am going to drive to Toronto and spank you myself.

Yung, I honestly have no idea of where you are now on your "theory". The approach you have adopted of hop-skip-jumping all over the board has just about made it impossible for me to follow what you are trying to do, even as a fairly avid T&S reader.

It is too late to stop this thread, but what about trying to keep this as the last one.

The one thing that I particularlry dislike about the approach you have adopted is that everytime you cut and paste a new thread together you entirely omit any and all critical assessments of your ideas posted by others. Maybe you don't care what others think, but I am interested in other's reactions to what you post.

You want others to be involved in your idea? Well, treat them with some respect. I know that I spent some time on your ideas early on. I posted a number of observations and questions, but that is now 3 or 4 generations ago. The time that I spent, and the time that others have spent, is repeatedly just ignored and left behind as you jump from one "update" to the next.

Yung, you want to be taken seriously? Well, exert some control over what you are doing.

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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

it has evolved Neil.
it was a process, even Chance had said you must fail to succeed.

You say yourself you have no idea of what my theory is, well this was to get rid of all the mess.
and you knew it was coming. And my theory has not changed much, just evolved and resummarized.

This is my last thread of this.

btw..
Yung, I honestly have no idea of where you are now on your "theory".

try reading it. please man, I will respond seriously to any questions about the theory.

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Re: Homoplasmates and The Quantum Hologram

Ugh. I like to peruse T&S, and I've sat by politely as these "Quantum-Appollo-Whatever" threads have continued to pile up. But seeing as this is about the 700th iteration of this same stuff, I now feel that I must weigh-in...

It's encouraging that for once, the first 10 replies to this thread haven't been littered with those "bowing-down" smilies, left by people who proclaim themselves too dense to understand what you are talking about. Just so those people know -- there isnothing to get. Stringing together a bunch of sciencey-sounding words does not science make. For anyone that thinks it does, I've got some high-frequency sublimation reticulators you may be interested in purchasing.

Every time I read these threads, I feel like you are about to segue into a sales pitch for some nerve tonic or those ionized Q-Ray bracelets.

I appreciate your hard-work and your enthusiasm, but if Lost amounts to a bunch of pseudo-intellectual bullpoop, then I want my money back. What's that? It's free? Well in that case I will throw my TV out the window.

How predictable. First Lostmio, then Neill. Just need one or two more of the 'regulars' to drop by and we'll have a veritible spleen venting convention.

Seriously folks, don't you get tired of coming in on yung's threads just to slag the guy off? It really is very tired behaviour - your feelings of self importance were no doubt in need of a re-charge.

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Originally Posted by lostmio

My head must be rocky soil.

Do you always feel the need to state the obvious?

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Originally Posted by lostmio

eta: Yung, ripping apart and reassembling what you can salvage from old pieces, no matter how much fun for you, doesn't make a comfy new quilt.

....eh?....."a comfy new quilt"......corrupting the English language by using throw-away statements out of context really give your posts extra gravitas......and you've got the nerve to tell yung his threads are BS.

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Originally Posted by NeillT006

If you do this one more time I am going to drive to Toronto and spank you myself.

Sounds kinky. And you, Neill, of all people.

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Originally Posted by NeillT006

It is too late to stop this thread, but what about trying to keep this as the last one.

And you are....?.......the nominated 'Thread Adjudicator'...? There's plenty of other equally 'irrelevant' threads to adjudicate on, why not be consistent.

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Originally Posted by NeillT006

The one thing that I particularlry dislike about the approach you have adopted is that everytime you cut and paste a new thread together you entirely omit any and all critical assessments of your ideas posted by others. Maybe you don't care what others think, but I am interested in other's reactions to what you post.

Then let them post again, in this thread. If they're as anally retentive as you appear to be, they'll enjoy the opportunity to snipe at yung again.

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Originally Posted by NeillT006

Yung, you want to be taken seriously? Well, exert some control over what you are doing.

Neill, you want to be taken seriously? Well, eliminate the need to lecture yung about his threads. I know you're old, but he's not your son.

From what I can see, yung has:

1. spliced together old posts/threads
2. added some recent new information/ideas that are scattered around various threads (from his own and other people's threads)
3. added some new new information of his own
4. responded to a request by Jeff at Ent. Weekly to summarise the ideas
5. responded to requests from other forum members to start a new thread summarising the ideas

Debate is what makes this forum the great place it is. Yung's ideas would not have evolved without positive and negative feedback posts. They are both needed. However, fairly spineless snipes at his enthusiastic efforts do not make particularly pleasant reading, nor should I feel compelled to come to his defence, again, now.

Why not post in with something constructive, rather than dismissive or patronising. Or for Lostmio's benefit: Show the dog it was wrong, don't just kick it. (Sorry, but I don't find mangling the English language as easy as you appear to.)