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Old 04-18-17, 09:03 PM   #1
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John Locke sometimes naive and stupid

The writers made Locke a capable and sometimes wise man, especially in the first season or two.
But they gave him some fatal flaws. He was naive at times, and had a bit of a messianic complex much of the time.

Locke was often consumed by the thought that he understood things which others could not grasp. He felt compelled to make them behave as he wanted them to, thinking he knew better than they what was in their best interests. And despite being proven wrong time after time, he never learned. He always felt that this time he knew the answer.
He blew up the communications station, destroying the survivor's chance of communicating with the outside world because he felt that everyone was "meant" to be on the island, so he decided to keep them from leaving.


If I had been Boone that time that Locke knocked him out, leaving a gash on the back of his head, hog-tied him and left him in the jungle, I would have put some knots on that bastard's bald head when I got free.

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Re: John Locke sometimes naive and stupid

Locke was captain of the Titanic. I picture him steering the island via Donkey Wheel. Now whether that was before or after he hanged himself, I don't remember. His was a confused story line. I might be ready for a re-watch in a few years.
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The confusing part was when Terry O'Quinn was playing the role of MiB when that character was pretending to be John Locke.

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The writers made Locke a capable and sometimes wise man, especially in the first season or two.
But they gave him some fatal flaws. He was naive at times, and had a bit of a messianic complex much of the time.

Locke was often consumed by the thought that he understood things which others could not grasp. He felt compelled to make them behave as he wanted them to, thinking he knew better than they what was in their best interests. And despite being proven wrong time after time, he never learned. He always felt that this time he knew the answer.
He blew up the communications station, destroying the survivor's chance of communicating with the outside world because he felt that everyone was "meant" to be on the island, so he decided to keep them from leaving.


If I had been Boone that time that Locke knocked him out, leaving a gash on the back of his head, hog-tied him and left him in the jungle, I would have put some knots on that bastard's bald head when I got free.
Fatal flaws make a character interesting, usually. It is possibly to make one that is too interesting. A remark I heard once is that while it is good to show the audience the character's warts, nobody out there wants to see the ones on his butt.
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Fatal flaws make a character interesting, usually. It is possibly to make one that is too interesting. A remark I heard once is that while it is good to show the audience the character's warts, nobody out there wants to see the ones on his butt.
LOL, so true.

Actually I liked the Locke character, rather I enjoyed it, because Terry OQuinn played him so well.
I thought his personality was not consistent. At times in the early going he was quite competent, level headed, and mature. Then we saw changes in Locke. He became obsessed with the powers of the island and his destiny with regards to it.
Then we saw him become emotionally labile, naive, and easily manipulated by Ben Linus. This was a big departure from the early Locke. It was hard to put one over on John Locke in the first season.

Speaking of Ben Linus, he was a despicable individual, something like a demon. From the very beginning he told lie after lie after lie. When he attacked Ana Lucia he told her "you're the killer. You killed two people, good people who were leaving you alone". That was of course a HUGE lie also. Ethan was a murderer, and so was Goodwin. They both killed without compunction. Goodwin's rationale was that the guy he killed wasn't useful to the others, and wasn't that great a guy. Ethan killed to force the group to turn over Claire. "good people who were leaving you alone". I wanted to kill Ben Linus.

It was a shame Ana Lucia stopped Sayid from killing Ben. I know he was central to the story of the island and therefore could not be killed off in the second season. But of the people who deserved to die, Ben was near or at the top of the list. I couldn't get past that. Even when I saw the good alter ego of Ben, the teacher in that world without the crash segment, I still didn't like him.
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Ben is a very complicated character. He was easy to hate, and it was easy to love hating him. By the end i think we realized that he was just as LOST as everybody else. I don't think he really found himself until after Jacob's death, and Alex's death was a major turning point for him as well. He did eventually find redemption, though. The nice little moment with Ben and Hurley telling each other that they were great ones and twos displayed to me that Ben was able to change his ways and become a good person.

But as for his considerable long list of evil acts, i thought he treated Sayid the worst. He used Sayid as his personal assassin for years, and then left him with nothing but a giant hole in his soul. Sayid himself was ripe for the picking for such use, due to his own demons and self-loathing, and he was almost as complicated a character as Ben.

Bear in mind that Ben was raised by no mother, and with Roger Workman as his father. So he was really raised by the Dharma initiative, a group that he betrayed and murdered because he had become a pawn in the game being played between Jacob and his brother. I think Ben deified Jacob for most of his life, and i think he learned his master manipulator skills from Jacob, who was really no more of a "good guy" than his brother - they were both raised in isolation by a madwoman. Power corrupts, as the old saw says, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Island was a source of immense power, and most if not all of the characters used that power knowingly or otherwise. Characters like Jacob and Ben, who figured out how to use that power more consciously, became corrupted. Locke wanted that power VERY badly, and it turned him from a sympathetic and capable person into a despicable puppet. Locke's story started as a miracle in Walkabout, but it had a very sad ending in The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham.
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