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Old 12-11-05, 06:57 PM   #1
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+ The Improbable Remote View

Suppose you knew a major tragic event would happen in the future- like a plane crash? You knew the time and place the plane would crash. You knew there would be survivors, but you could not be certain exactly who those survivors would be. Yet you needed certain survivors. You needed Walt or Kate or Sayid for your own fiendish plans. How could you tilt the odds in favor of one of them winding up on the beach alive?

My theory: Dharma /Hanso Group was using enhanced remote viewing, precognition, Image projection, its network of Dharma off-island agents, dream projection and other paranormal pseudo sciences to know that the plane crash would occur and that a certain number would survive. They then influenced the types of people they needed to be on that flight. They might have attempted to influence hundreds with the goal of 30 to 40 that they needed. They could not have been certain who would actually be on the flight and who would exactly walk away from it - thus the need for Ethan and Goodwin to infiltrate and take census. But they knew there would be a crash and there would be survivors.

Many were called, a few answered



My theory: Dharma was researching enhanced remote viewing and mathematical forecasting. I believe they learned to use magnets to amplify the remote viewers “signal” so he could both see and be seen across great distances. In other words, I think they can project images on the minds of others. I think they knew oceanic 815 was going to crash on the island and that there would be survivors. I think they used their ability to project images from the island to increase the odds that certain people would be on the plane.


More and more Lost seems to be about absolutely improbable events. Not impossible, but extremely improbable. What are the odds of a plane ripping apart mid-air yielding so many survivors? What are the odds of a black horse wandering in front of the Marshal’s car right when he looked away? Hurley’s lottery win? Sawyer meeting Jack’s Dad in the bar? Odds could be calculated for each one, and I put forth that they were. I also believe that Dharma has done things to increase the odds in their favour.

Suppose you knew a major tragic event would happen in the future- like a plane crash. You knew the time and place the plane would crash. You knew there would be survivors, but you could not be certain exactly who those survivors would be. Yet you needed certain survivors. You needed Walt or Kate or Sayid for your own fiendish plans. How could you tilt the odds in favour of one of them winding up on the beach alive?

You tilt the odds in your favour. I think Kate's horse on the road was a transmission from the island to help her escape. I think they were able to view Kate's future, and saw her escape as the pivot point for her possibly being on flight 815. The same for Jack, I think Desmond meeting him in the stadium might have been a projection from the island. That might have been Jack’s pivot point. I think the events that followed led him to be on the island.

From my own reading of remote viewing, I have learned that it is more accurate for large events, like a plane crash. And less and less accurate for smaller details , like who survived the crash. Einstein would have something to say about the reason for this: The outcomes of the small details can change as small events change, but the larger events are more unlikely to be changed.

For example: You might use remote viewing to see a tsunami. Nothing can change the fact that it will occur, but as to who survives: it depends on what each person was doing before the tsunami. Someone with a remote view of a tsunami could call all his pals in the strike zone and tell them to seek higher ground. This can’t change the tsunami, but it can change the smaller details of who survives.

Clearly Goodwin was waiting for the crash. In my opinion he was dressed, rehearsed, and waiting for that tail to come crashing down. What he, and his pals didn’t know, was who would live through it. That’s why he was there, to pick out any of the people Dharma was hoping would be on the plane. That's why one of the others had a hand-written list of who to grab - Goodwin made the list.

The writers have already showed this theory as a plot element. I believe her psychic saw that she would be on the plane, and I think he knew it would crash. Yet he sent her anyway. He manipulated her life and specifically placed her on that plane. He knew if he did not intervene, she wouldn’t be on that plane. In the framework of the show, he was accurately able to view claire’s history. He was clearly able to see something frightening in her future. I think of all the survivors, Claire should not be there. She even tells us that, “I shouldn’t be here” in season one.Its possible the Dharma folks did something to make Claire's boyfriend jump ship. They wanted her to give her baby to the adoptive couple. But Claire’s psychic intervened. I think that threw all the Dharma plans off - and makes Claire the wild card for Aaron.

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Old 12-11-05, 11:30 PM   #2
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

You're confusing remote viewing with another parapsychological phenomenom, namely, precognition. Remote viewing would be seeing live events happening at a different location in real time. Precognition is visions of events taking place in the future. On the other hand, postcognition is seeing things that have happened in the past. Johnny Smith from The Dead Zone touches people or objects and has visions of past or future events, so he has both post- and precognition.

Now if someone can remotely view and physically manipulate an event from afar, that would probably involve telekinesis. Likewise, if somebody was seeing and communicating with another person at a distance, while that other person was sleeping or awake, that would be telepathy.
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Old 12-12-05, 12:30 AM   #3
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

Ok, I admit I had never heard of remote viewing before watching Lost - and looking at "The Hanso Foundation" website. But I did find a lot of remote viewing websites - and they all seem to suggest that remote viewing can be for events in the future, present and past.


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Definitions of REMOTE VIEWING on the Web:

The ability to perceive people, places, events, and objects by directing the consciousness to any destination provided via specified coordinates. There is no limit as to whether it's current or past, large or small, near or far. Developed largely by Ingo Swann working under contract for SRI International, formerly known as Stanford Research Institute.

www.astralvoyage.com/projection/Glossary.html

ESP information identifying a physical location or object at a distance from the receiver. Sometimes used synonymously to clairvoyance, it could actually involve any ESP capacity (telepathy, clairvoyance or precognition.)

www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1895/Glossary.html

Remote viewing (RV) is a procedure developed by parapsychologists at the Stanford Research Institute and an artist, Ingo Swann, to allegedly perform clairvoyance under controlled conditions. Somewhat similar to astral projection, the phenomenon involves a belief in the projection of consciousness to remote locations.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing
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http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:K...&client=safari
defines it best: Coordinate Remote Viewing (CRV) is is the trained ability to obtain accurate psychically derived data on persons, places, things and events anywhere in time and space, using only a pen, paper and one's mind.

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Old 12-12-05, 12:37 AM   #4
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

I know that Dweisspt's done the research, so I think he's referring to the fact that there are two different takes on remote viewing: one that restricts its scope to seeing present images/events at a distance, and one that feels it can be combined with pre- or post-cognition.

Since all of this is speculative, the application would depend on which "tradition" the writers drew on. I like the idea of manipulated probabilities (There is an interesting debate in modern music between art created through the mathematical manipulation of surface, micro-events and that created through the manipulation of probabilities, and I always found it fascinating that the latter often achieved the effects the former sought with greater accuracy. Of course art is not life, but it does have its metaphorical applications to same).

[Edited to add that I wrote this at the same time dweisspt was posting the above]
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

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Remote viewing (RV) is a procedure developed by parapsychologists at the Stanford Research Institute and an artist, Ingo Swann, to allegedly perform clairvoyance under controlled conditions. Somewhat similar to astral projection, the phenomenon involves a belief in the projection of consciousness to remote locations.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing
Ugh...astral projection...that's exactly what we need...electromagnetic shields to block wandering souls/consciousnesses!

Will we now have to contend with theories about the Numbers being used to keep a Ghostbusters-type soul/spirit containment unit in operation?


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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

The numbers are red Easter eggs. Containment of souls? Whisperers? Zombies? You have my attention.
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

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The numbers are red Easter eggs. Containment of souls? Whisperers? Zombies? You have my attention.
The other part of my theory is that the islands ihabitants - Dharma and others - are trapped on the island. In order for them to escape, they need certain poeple for specific purposes. That's why they manipultated things to increase the odds that those folks might survive. I think that is confirmed by Goodwin's infiltration of the tailfeathers camp. Whoever they wanted was in the tail, not the midsection. Either that or they only saw the crash of the tail section. From what I have read remote viewing is not that accurate, it doesn't show everything.

I am not at al sure that Ethan and Goodwin were working for the same side. Their methods and motivations seemed to be quite different, I think there are at least two distinct groups of others using some type of remote projection/viewing technology. I think the "whispering" is a more basic form of the technology, where only voices poject. The more advanced projection being the one we see with Walt.

In the scene preceding Shannon's Death we saw Walt's visual and audio projection trying to quiet Shannon (and in my opinion save her from an outcome). Meanwhile, at the same time, the tailfeathers are assailed by a chorus of projected audio whispers that serve to freighten and drive the tailfeathers to the outcome - shannons death. I think both groups of others saw the death and tried to affect it.

As for containment of souls, I am not thinking this involves souls as much as people. I really believe they are all trapped here. Either by disease, time, or some other force. The zombie others are definetly altered. I think by some sort of virus. The way they all move in sequence make me think their movements are controlled by something or someone else. They are more like minions than people. I find it so odd that quite normal looking Goodwin was in with them.

Thanks for the interest LITW and Drabauer!
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

There are elements within this theory that I think are extremely plausible.

Just wanted to let dweisspt know!
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

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I like the idea of manipulated probabilities (There is an interesting debate in modern music between art created through the mathematical manipulation of surface, micro-events and that created through the manipulation of probabilities, and I always found it fascinating that the latter often achieved the effects the former sought with greater accuracy. Of course art is not life, but it does have its metaphorical applications to same).

I just finished reading a book about a group of MIT professors used random number theory and manipulated probabilities to win card games in Vegas and stock games on Wall Street. They manipulated things initially by recalcuting the probabilities for each card used from a double deck. The odds for a particular card comming up increases as other cards are eliminated. They discovered that supposed games of chance were not as random and equal as we are lead to believe. In most cases, the house has the advantage. They sought ways to give themselves the same advantage, and they were quite successful. Eventually Vegas caught on, so they moved to the biggest casino of all, Wall Street, and there they stayed. The message the book gives is this - In absolutely random games, any information - inside, secret ,or observed - can be used to increase your odd of winning. But there are no sure things, so to win you must play frequently, hedge your bets, and always make high probability moves.

If you need 12 people on an island to save yourself, Try to manipulate things so 48 will be on a plane that you know will crash and you know will have some survivors.

If you know Shannon will be shot, make sure by adding scary whispers to trigger happy AL's experience.

What else would the "mathmatical forcasting initiative" do with it's money and time?
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Re: The Improbable Remote View theory.

dweisspt: I love this theory, and find nothing remotely improbable about it (i.e., within the context of the show). My one qualification would be that I think these particular people DO possess the power to influence the future with their choices. In fact, I believe it's their choices that will determine whether humanity as a whole evolves to the next level, or is destroyed in some apocalypse.

The best analogy I can think of is A Christmas Carol. Scrooge is presented with a vision of a likely future, but one that isn't set in stone. This is why the psychic stressed to Claire that Alex must not be raised by another. Presumably, he saw two possible futures, depending on the choices that Claire made.
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