[lacenaire]

This thread deals with : Related books and plays by Miguel de Unamuno and Luigi Pirandello.

It also deals with Pantheistic Solipsism.
Edit: I originally conceived this theory exactly like one of the characters in 'Waking life' describes it (link).

Hi everyone, this is my little theory about creating a Lost cult :

I believe that some parts of the plot are intended to gratify the fans of each actor/actress etc... But can they be related also to the actual plot inside LOST? You decide...

1. Jack's wedding: I watched Party of Five and seeing Matthew Fox getting married was like man, at last Mathew Fox did it right on screen.

2. Sayid: This mine scene with Hurley reminds me of the character Naveen Andrews played in "The English Patient". In that his friend and colleague was killed by a mine. The writers may have let us see him warning and saving Hurley for that reason.

3. Charlie: As Merry one of his most famous secuences is when he and Pippin are kidnapped by the White Tower Orcs. He helps Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas find them leaving trails behind, like Charlie did. In LoTR he wasn't saved and was presumed dead; in Lost he was actually found and resurrected.

4. Boone: Ian Somerhalder has been dying in almost every show he has been since ever.

5. Ethan: In The Grudge (2004) William Mapother was scared to death into killing his own wife by the ghosts of a strange japanese woman and her evil son. Is that why he wanted Claire and the baby?

6. Shannon: Maggie has been in 2 flicks with possible connections ( I haven't watched it): In CSI Miami 1x21 a young girl appears dead with human bitemarks. In Creature Unknown (2003) there is a creature in the woods that wants to kill a bunch of teenagers.

7. Sawyer: Josh Holloway acted in Sabretooth, in which... Using fossilized DNA, a scientist resurrects one of nature's most fearsome predators, a sabretooth tiger. Scientific ambition turns deadly, however, when the creature escapes and begins savagely stalking its prey - the human race.

8. Terry O'Queen: Neill you are gonna love this one: Created by the military, Harsh Realm explores a virtual reality world where anything is possible. After seeing the horrors of war in Sarajevo, Lt. Thomas Hobbes is finally ready to settle down with his fiance but the military has one last assignment for him. He must test out the newest in military combat training, a top secret computer simulation code-named "Harsh Realm". However once inside the game, Hobbes immediately finds himself fighting for his life, and struggling to comprehend what is real and what is not. In that show he was General Mosa.

8b. Terry O'Quinn: has an important recurring role as Admiral Boone on JAG.

9. Michael: In the matrix, Harold Perrineau Jr., plays the navigator of Morpheus' ship.

10. Claire: Emilie de Ravin was in Roswell, a show about teenage alien/human hybrids living in Roswell, New Mexico who attempted to survive as humans and hide their alien sides, while they tried to learn more about their alien selves and figure out how to get home. Roswell was an intertwining of romance and science fiction that kept you guessing.

8c. Terry O'Queen played Kendall on 'Alias', a high ranking CIA agent, who seemed to be in charge of some secret covert operation related to MK Ultra.

11. Shannon: Maggie Graces was chased by a deadly beast through a forest in 'Creature unknown'

12. Goodwin: Brett Cullen in 'Pepper Dennis' quit his job and allegedly got lost in some island where he is 'happier than ever'.

13. Jack's dad: John Terry played a doctor in 'ER' in several episodes.

14. Kate: This is my personal interpretation, but in 'Born to run' she was introduced exactly like Hitchcock introduced Tippie Hedren's character in 'Marnie'. Her psychological profile and her being related to a black horse as well, give her more than 10 points in common with her.

15. Fenry Gale: Michael Emerson played a deranged psychopath with great manipulatory skills in 'THe Inside' . In the X-files he played a freak with extraordinary psychic abilities that made his fantasies become true.

[Homer Noodleman]

And... all the time Evangeline Lilly was doing those Phone Matchmaker ads she secretly wanted to blow their clients up? Maybe she figured that, like Wayne, the guys on the phone would would be leering pervs asking her to describe what she was wearing.

[DohBoy]

Every time I see Michael in front of the computer, I think of him in the Matrix.

What about Walt? Malcolm David Kelley played the young Antwone Fisher in the movie of the same name.

"A sailor prone to violent outbursts is sent to a naval psychiatrist for help. Refusing at first to open up, the young man eventually breaks down and reveals a horrific childhood. Through the guidance of his doctor, he confronts his painful past and begins a quest to find the family he never knew."

[DannyOcean05]

See, this is why I love this board. I read a theory and almost dismiss it out of hand, but then as I read all of it and the responses I start to make connections that give it more plausibility in my mind. However, it's also easy to start seeing connections between almost anything. It is interesting that they have the guy from the Matrix sitting infront of a computer like that though.

[camelsmoker]

lacenaire, I think you may be on to something. A while ago, during season 1, I had a thought that the characters might be experiencing something like Heinlein's pantheistic solipsism, in which his characters travel to, and interact with characters from other fictional worlds.

That didn't seem to gel quite exactly with the feeling I got for their island-world. It seems to me now, that Lost is written like fanfiction.

TPTB as the ultimate fanzine contributors.

Think about it. They've created an elaborate universe peopled with characters (or archetypes) lifted from other fictional universes.

Nota bene: Perhaps the oldest known fanfiction, written in cuneform on clay tablets, are Gilgamesh stories that have little or nothing to do with the established myth. Interesting, to say the least.

Perhaps we are are witnessing the first occurence of panmictic fiction, or to coin a word - panmiction.

[jaystao]

Reincarnated fictional characters.... reprising roles from past 'jobs'. But no mask can ever be truely taken off. The spirit of the 'character' lives on in many ways. Absorbed by the host actor/actress and almost becomes like a ghostly shadow, haunting said person in future roles. These 'people' take from each job they do and put into the next role/character aspects of their former guises. Writers in away write with thought and context for who their writing for. Admitedly when the show was created it was a gestalt of concepts, naratives and actors all thrown together in one ensemble. But each brings their own intrepretation, there own mix of previous works (just as the narative of lost draws from previous works of fiction, mythology and facts). Once the cast was set in their roles, the writers began telling their stories around them. So it is of no surprise that roles seem to be retold or reoccuring somehow. It all come back again as they say..... look at poor old Lenard Nemoy, forever haunted by a role he played several decades ago no matter how many thespian/theatre works he does. Spok becomes an entity in itself apart from the actor who played him, existing in a multitude of fandom, minds and later compositions. Perhaps this has also something to do with the nature of the archetype and personification. And our actors are merely avatars for spirits greater then they, immortal souls that live on through countless retellings of the same old story. Jung and his theories on animus/anima, syncronicity and the shadow perhaps would also be apt for this discussion..... love the sig by the way Camelsmoker!

[bigmouth]

Originally Posted by DannyOcean05

See, this is why I love this board. I read a theory and almost dismiss it out of hand, but then as I read all of it and the responses I start to make connections that give it more plausibility in my mind. However, it's also easy to start seeing connections between almost anything. It is interesting that they have the guy from the Matrix sitting infront of a computer like that though.

Danny: I agree. I'm still not sure I buy it, but Lace makes a compelling case, as usual.

Lace: Kind of a riverworld for fictional characters? Makes me think again of pantheistic solipsism...

[Warthawg1]

Remembering the scene where Eko was bossing around Charlie; I was reminded of him as Adabesi breaking in a new cell mate in the HBO series OZ.

It wasn't quite as graphic on LOST as it was on OZ, but the implications were the same.

[Warthawg1]

I was just trying to make fun of Charlie for being Eko's beotch, but if it works for the purpose of this thread; then you're welcome.

[Warthawg1]

The girl he was doing heroin with in the hotel room also punked him out.