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Old 09-10-05, 11:11 PM   #1
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+ I-ching/chinese mysticism thread.

It maybe soon that I may not be able to contribute to this site for awhile, since season two is coming and I might not be able to keep up with the episodes and do not want to read spoilers. So I may have to lavish over the DVD season one for a time. Anyway I post all my eggs at once and watch it slowly sink in to forgetfulness, I wish you all the best.

A binary matrix patterning motif is inherent within LOST.












This patterning, filled with spirals, cones, cylinders, black/white styled cubits and web motifs is both a visual style of film making used by the creators of LOST as a means to add psychological depth and scenic texture in framing their shots (a lot like how a child colours a frame around a painting), as well as a means to blend one transition with another (similar to the transitional juxtaposition of comic book frames), but it is also, in my theory, a way of visualising an idea that we are all apart of a binary biorhythmic cyclic system similar to a computer that spans the inner richness of life itself to the greater outer workings of the Universe ad existence.



The primary base for my theory outside of LOST is with current contemplations of the 3000 year old eastern divination method known as the I-ching. The I-ching has often been described as the oldest computer because it uses a binary system of chance patterns created from a 64 bit matrix, to foretell current events in ones life and the ‘changes’ necessary toward other forms and places therein. There is a psychological element to play because the I-ching is not just universally relevant but requires a personal reading that only the reader can define not because it is invented, but because the reader is as much apart of this matrix as the counted results themselves (indeed with out which the numbers would become meaningless).

Why the I-ching works. As with any chthonic relationship, the advanced systems we use to operate our science, technology, civilisation and spiritual/mental linguistics, hark back to early primitive times where the root base of our ‘evolution’ was formed. Whether you believe in evolution or intelligent design is unimportant, since regardless of either, somewhere within our physical and spiritual make up is the GOD of our design. This divinity that forms our spiritual and mental natures is a mathematical rhythm that is inherent within our very DNA and spurs from a light/dark cathartic relationship between the forces of higher order and lower chaos. We are a product of our environment and everywhere from the stars above to the unfurling of a leaf and the construction of a temple, whether we create the patterns ourselves or find them already inherent in nature, is maths. Because the I-ching system stems from our instinctual base affiliation with this root origin that is our nature, it therefore acts as an expression of this nature and as a means for us to ‘visualise’ a pattern and, by our own discretion, find meaning and guidance.

The numerical rhythmic workings of the I-ching and Chinese elemental mysticism is not an isolated system and since we are all products of the same global origin, must therefore occur through out human history in any geography and this is the case. I-ching carries the same base 4 and 8 binary workings as the Mayan Aztec Tzolkin Callander, Egyptian tarot and Jewish Kabala. There are many other types of human expression that relate to this binary system, such as linguistics, Jungian psychology, cubism, renaissance art and geometry, biblical and Buddhist scripture, Greek classical mythology and sciences. From the architecture that formed the pyramids to ancient Pacific Island labyrinth writing in sand, we are all apart of the same global matrix. Our own binary code for computer programs is based on this 64 bit system and uses the 0 and 1 matrixes that is the root base of Chinese Wu (nothing) and tai (oneness) chi elemental sciences. There is a current school of theorists who are trying to relate this systemised relationship directly, discussing a match between our DNA armino ACIDs and the 64 matrix system of the I-ching. This would mean that our very psychological makeup is a product of this same pattern/matrix, and indeed all that we create is some how related to this same pattern. It does not take much to connect this root operational system with the spiralling patterns of chain reaction events that make up Chaos theory and perhaps the ‘hyper’ dimensions of Quantum and relativity type physics.



www.tortuga.com/science/DNA/1.html

Life than is a biological computer system ticking away to some eventual ends, its programs running amok on this greater silicon Chip we call earth. Though it must be said that before any of these terms meant anything, the system was there inherent. Before cars and even before we invented the wheel or learned the ways of fire, the system was in motion developing and categorising different aspects of itself. The very matter that make the building blocks of life held this system in motion. Nothing empathises this ‘system’ narrative more than the human limbic, immune and circulatory systems, their understanding well developed in Chinese Medicinal theology. All our emotional and mental catharsis is held up within these three main systematic operations that formed millions of years ago before the human race even existed. Systems that are in part dependant on the acidic composition of our DNA and in that the amino acids that form and direct our behavioural and mental states. The original maths so to speak, that would eventually form through DNA auto correcting and advancing software like patterns, what we now brazenly refer to as the human soul or consciousness.

What does this tell us about LOST. The I-ching impart can be used to create a visual narrative because it dictates seemingly random fractured moments into a chronological
Order that is an ‘event’ comprised of many moments. It can be used to form the bases of a novel, or to relieve suffering from schizophrenia and related disorders by creating ritual in time and occurrence. It can be used to create a richness and depth in the binary compositions of a film set. It can be used to decide the fate of castaways, their journey and pathways though not necessarily their decisions as free willed mechanisms of the writers. So is there a narrative structure in LOST that the I-ching can clarify on? Even if such were not the case, even if the creators could some how isolate themselves from any known scrutiny, according to the theory by being apart of a greater system that is inherent in their natures, they could not help but fall party to some mathematical narrative systemisation that can be divined by using I-ching references or holistic detective work (this of coarse only if you believe anything I have just written). So we begin with the numbers.

The numbers below are correlated with an up and down elemental dualism as well as a ‘guiding’ value using the I-ching.

4. Mêng / Youthful Folly

* * * * * * * * above KêN KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN ***
* * * * * * * * below K'AN THE ABYSMAL, WATER ***

8. Pi / Holding Together [union]

* * * * * * * * above K'AN THE ABYSMAL, WATER ***
* * * * * * * * below K'UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH ***

15. Ch'ien / Modesty

* * * * * * * * above K'UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH ***
* * * * * * * * below KEN KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN ***

16. Yü / Enthusiasm

* * * * * * * * above CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER ***
* * * * * * * * below K'UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH ***

23. Po / Splitting Apart

* * * * * * * * above KêN KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN ***
* * * * * * * * below K'UN THE RECEPTIVE, EARTH ***

42. I / Increase

* * * * * * * * above SUN THE GENTLE, WIND ***
* * * * * * * * below CHêN THE AROUSING, THUNDER ***

Exerts taken from: www.akirarabelais.com/i/i.html#8

All the numbers have relevance but an example of the number four:

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In this hexagram we are reminded of youth and folly in two different ways. The image of the upper trigram, Kên, is the mountain, that of the lower, K'an, is water; the spring rising at the foot of the mountain is the image of inexperienced youth. Keeping still is the attribute of the upper trigram; that of the lower is the abyss, danger. Stopping in perplexity on the brink of a dangerous abyss is a symbol of the folly of youth. However, the two trigrams also show the way of overcoming the follies of youth. Water is something that of necessity flows on. When the spring gushes forth, it does not know at first where it will go. But its steady flow fills up the deep place blocking its progress, and success is attained.
The number four represents the relationship between an older wiser figure and a younger or less wise individual who is seeking information and guidance. In a series of questions at first without discord wisdom is interchanged. However if the questions irritate annoyance gives way and a lesson may be forth coming, though youthful perseverance eventually overcomes, just as the river overflows the valley/dam. Each line is cross-reverenced where it occurs in the 4‘tri-gram’, and imparts a guiding value to the relationship. For instants one image tells of how if the youth importunes guidance without leeway he must be taught a physical lesson in discipline and his own potential. Guidance must be meted out carefully depending on the nature of the courtship, fore if the youth generally desires wisdom to prosper this is good, but if he merely wishes to usurp or emulate the ‘strength’ of the teacher’s wisdom than this may result in a bad outcome. Here the danger of the Abysmal water becomes apparent and drowning or falling may become evident. Left to his own devices the student may flounder but with proper attentive guidance, if the student listens than there is reward. The act of gaining wisdom works both ways, for the teacher learns modesty in the face of the youths eager perseverance. He must therein learn ‘stillness’ and not act with harshness or over react. Sometimes the youth carries with him ‘fantasies’ of grandeur or imaginings which must be overcome before there is further lesson, therefore such an image relates to how the student must sometimes be left alone to sort out difficulties before the relationship can continue and wisdom gained.

It doesn’t take much to see the similarity of this narrative play with certain aspects of Locke’s and Boon’s relationship. There are many other examples of a number FOUR type discourse through out LOSt, Walt and Michael, Hurly approaching Sayid about the numbers, Locke and Charlie, Jack keeping watch over Charlie’s rehab in fact every episode seems to begin with a series of question like discourses whether it is an actual discussion or a visual mystery that with further perseverance of wiser sources eventually clarifies and wisdom is gained.

Below are the numbers in accordance with the symbols found on the Mandala/DNA chart sequencing. It’s merely playing around with this narrative structure a bit. My ultimate hope is to one day refer to an actual episode by taking each narrative ‘moment’ apart and re-ordering it in terms of a structured pattern. This would be my next step.




At any rate I hope those who have got this far have received some wisdom or inspiration from this post. Really it is reiterating points I made earlier, trying to sum them up cohesively before season two.

My main points are basically this: There is a Universal Matrix/mathematical order that exists inherently within all things. I-ching is an example of how this order is innately expressed through human culture, science and art. This human relationship is carthatic in nature and derives from our base primordial origin. There fore it is a product of our evolution or design and vice versa. The Island is able to tap into this ordered matrix much like how the I-ching is able to render values and meanings from the patterns inherently found therein. The Island goes one step further and is actively able to manipulate this ‘greater matrix’, either by some scientific invention or by some extra worldly spiritual hyper magic. Some of the castaways display heightened sensitivity to this manipulation perhaps highlighted by some mental condition that has been learned and is a genetic property of their cthonic origins. Well existing on the island due to its hyper-carthatic nature, such mental conditions including the depths of ones primal consciousness are brought to the fore with the end result being a battle between the original EGO and some more limbic shadow persona with perhaps a third entity ‘other’ controlled by the Island ‘anima/animus’.

For further info on this subject go to: pacificcoast.net/~wh/Index.html#Translations

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Old 09-11-05, 12:55 AM   #2
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I havent read the whole post yet Jays, but your good at noticing composition.. artclass/arthistory in there somewhere ?
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Yea, I'll show my cards. One of my miners was in Art History. My majors being in philosophy and film studies. I was particularly infactuated with Renaissance art. The iconic imagery shown in lOST is a reflection of 'point of perspective' and golden mean type rules in classical art. The number three in this instance was often thought of as a 'holly number' as it represented the relationship between man, god and holly spirit. People formed in threes for instance in De vinci's Last Supper and in other narratives. The trinity or heavenly triangle. Three is also the number of lines needed to form a hexagram, and six is the number of times one needs to cast a reading. There are many casting methods of I-ching and one can even find natural 'castings' in nature because this is where the math derives. The 3 and six casting method creates a measure of time, space and perspective that transends normal three dimensions. Just as the LOST imagery is related to the 'event' of past and future sequences. Fu Shi one of the originators came up with the method while staring into the enflamed kindling of an open fire. I notice a lot of the castaways do this. I always felt that when Walt is playing around with the three shells in a scene from the opening episodes, he is actually casting some kind of shamanistic hexagram. Heres a similarity between the
Renaissance geometry and a Lost image.




The above shows the classical prose of halving and quartering of the scene. The idea of four and three's is important here. Theres also a good shot of Michael looking at the cot above. Point of perspective often trys to centre on the most important character of the peice. Often Jesus. Biblical iconic imagery however is a much used motif for most spiritualised film making.
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I know. This show is.... beautiful. I noticed that the first time I watched it, its what drew me to become a fan. There are ways in which to construct narrative texture but this show has something else. Its filmed in away that is purely elemental. The geometry, the maths, the art of the show rises above expectation. Now in order to pull something of this magnitude off it seems to me that you would best need some kind of systemised structure built in, in which to tie the flash back sequences in with the real time narrative. Four point structure? Six point structure? The plot, the sub plot and the various side angles? Everything works around this equation. I don't really know about this I=ching stuff, it was just a means in which try to express what such an equation might look like. But you have to admit for all its hack, this show has qualities. Lets hope the creators can keep it up.
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Ahh, this is great man I just love Chinese mysticism and it blend in so well with Jungian psychology and this thread is also very well presented and thought through, good job
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Jays...

I'm bumping this because of the I-Ching symbolism found in the hatch complex...and because its such a damn good read!

Screencap from ep.1:


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I had also speculated about the i-Ching as a possible explanation for the numbers -- although the correspondences are not especially illuminating. The symbol inside the hatch obviously ups the ante. I wrote about this on my site

EDIT AND NOTE: Due to an unfixable technical issue on my Web site, the URLs linked from some of my posts below have changed. For simplicity's sake, I am just including all three updated URLs in this first post. All the posts are also accessible from my home page if all else fails.

www.egoplex.com/2005/09/4...rleys.html
www.egoplex.com/2005/09/more-lost.html
www.egoplex.com/2005/09/l...g-and.html

What I don't know is if the symbol is coming from a Feng Shui perspective or an I-Ching perspective. I tend to see everything in terms of i-Ching but the symbol doesn't really match up with any existing i-Ching scheme (except as an up/down reversal of the King Wen diagram).

With all the speculation about genetics elsewhere on the board, my best guess would be that the i-Ching/human DNA correspondence might be behind all this.

www.kheper.net/topics/I_C...nd_dna.htm

But that is only a guess. Frankly, I would be happy to have it turn out to be something more interesting than that...

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Hi egoplex

Yes it was your site that prompted me to resurrect this thread!

I’m going to try to get my head around the DNA thing.

In the meantime please confirm something for me. The screencap above is the symbol in the position as depicted in the show right?. If so therefore the trigram at the top denotes south, the bottom one north, the left one east - the right one west - right? In other words the whole things
been rotated 180 degrees.

I only say this because other features in this show have displayed similar inverted or mirror characteristics.
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In the King Wen, the normal orientation is South up and North down. I believe that applies even to the reversed version, though I wouldn't swear to it.

The inverted trigrams are inverted relative to the inside of the diagram (as if they were standing on the yin-yang like a planet). It's as if it was turned inside out. The usage is not uncommon in feng shui, but I am just guessing that the Lost crew has something else in mind.

A few other fun links in this respect, which may or may not end up being relevant:

Terence McKenna's Time Wave Zero, predicting the end og the world, derived from King Wen (I wrote the first bio):

www.rotten.com/library/bi...e-mckenna/

deoxy.org/mckenna.htm

www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html

Wouldn't shock me if Locke turned out to be a 2012er.

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